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Open letter to Gitea

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Re: Open letter to Gitea

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Gitea was a fork of Gogs. I'm assuming we'll see a fork of Gitea now?

I'm also reminded of Audacity, so maybe we'll see a half-way popular fork and then the "parent" amending their ways?

GCC actually gave up and simply went with their fork, egcs:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Compiler_Collection#EGCS_f...

Re: Open letter to Gitea

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As I've mentioned elsewhere in this thread, I'm a contributor to gitea and have no ownership in the new organization. I genuinely would like some clarification to the points in the letter, as I'm trying to advise the owners and understand my future with the project.

It seems like the demands are:

> Implementing an intuitive and fair election process.

I think we do that now: https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/blob/main/CONTRIBUTING.md#... Anyone who has contributed to the gitea project more than 2x PRs is invited to be a maintainer. Every maintainer gets 3 votes. Maybe there are some suggestions for improving - please open a PR.

> Describing the ways in which democratic decisions are to be made.

Again, I'm just confused what's being requested. Moving on.

> Providing accessible places where all relevant information can be found.

This seems like the same request as above. Or maybe a request for better documentation. I agree. Open a PR, don't fork gitea.

> Establishing a DoOcracy that works and continue to improve it.

I agree with this and I suspect that was the intention with the original reference to DAOs, but needs to be clarified.

> A non-profit organisation owned by the Gitea community is created. > The Gitea trademark and domains are transferred to the non-profit. > The name of the company is changed to avoid any confusion with the non-profit.

Does anyone have experience with how this is typically handled? It seems like this is the only actionable request. What are some examples of non-profit open-source companies? Is that typical?

Re: Open letter to Gitea

#95
Fork it and move on. Humanity has shown it’s all about control of ethno-bubbles.

Our biology seeks power and influence. Rent seeking.

Stop giving it to these ephemeral terms, logos, memes, and importing the gibberish of outsiders, giving them influence.

Don’t give them anymore attention, fork the repo. The people behind these projects are just people. They’re not owed fealty and chance after chance given this behavior happens all the time and users complain all the time when they do. Stop feeding the identity of the sorts who do this. They’re figurative nobodies and random meat bags of billions. Treat them with the same lack of respect in return. There’s no making nice with this kind of agency. Flip it off and walk away.

Re: Open letter to Gitea

#96
post #44

I’ve never participated in an open source community so this is the view of an ignorant third party. Everytime I see anything related to the open source world bubble up into the public I am only reminded of high school and college level social drama. It seems utterly exhausting to be involved

> anything related to the open source world bubble up into the public I am only reminded of high school and college level social drama.

That's because open source washes its dirty laundry in public. The same things happen behind closed doors in companies all the time, it's called office politics, and yes, it is exhausting.

Re: Open letter to Gitea

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As an outsider this is not compelling. Claims aren't substantiated or given context (I would expect links to promises and explanations of how specific actors have violated them). There is also a lot of work being expected in the form of non profit companies and organizational structures and seemingly very little volunteering to do that work, which to my eye is immediately suspect.

I guess I'd expect this document to better substantiate why being elected puts this duty on these people, and why that claim is more significant than if I elected the author of this letter as Viceroy of Bringing Me Lunch?

Re: Open letter to Gitea

#98

...domains and trademarks...are one of the most important assets any Free Software project has (if not the most important)... This rubs me the wrong way. Surely the discussion history, documentation, and the freaking code are more important than the name. I generally don't like open source becoming beholden to comercial interests, and I don't know enough about this story to know if that's really what is happening her…

On the other hand... OpenOffice vs. LibreOffice. Clearly the name was immensely valuable in that case.

Sure it was immensely valuable. But imagine if the code disappeared overnight. Then LibreOffice wouldn't be were it is now.

Re: Open letter to Gitea

#99
post #16

While communication may not have been handled perfectly, this is an annoyed, entitled, entirely unnecessary tract. Tellingly, it never appears to be the ones who do the actual work who throw such tantrums. And how about just extending the benefit of the doubt instead of immediately feeding the outrage machine?

> Tellingly, it never appears to be the ones who do the actual work who throw such tantrums.

I recognize at least 2 names in the top five as devs that I personally collaborated with in order to add features to Gitea.

Re: Open letter to Gitea

#100

Am I right in assuming that though lots of work has happened in gitea since the fork, at least half of the code there was still written by the guy behind gogs? They're just going to form a for-profit based on his work and cut him out entirely?

It's MIT licensed, so anyone can incorporate based on the original author's work and turn a profit. He is not owed anything. This is an eventuality you are implicitly accepting when choosing MIT over GPL.
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