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macOS 13 Ventura review

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Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by smoldesu »

SllX wrote: post #82
smoldesu wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USB-C cables are an investment in the future. Apple helped design the USB-C (and associated Thunderbolt spec) and knew that they would inevitably be forced to switch to USB-C. The iPad came first (to make it "Pro"), but the writing has been on the wall since Macbooks started charging over USB-C. There were legitimately no benefits to using Lightning besides the licensing fees that they charged when people made Lightn…

There’s always new cable standards. Even if 100% of Apple’s products that currently use lightning switched to USB-C tomorrow, I expect I’ll still be using lightning cables for the next 5 years just on devices I already own; and further into the future at some point even after everything I have is on USB-C there will be some cable standard to replace that too. It’s not like lightning is some obscure connection: there’…

Lightning is some obscure connector, though. It's proprietary and Apple directly controls the licensing for people who want to use it. USB-C is a component in a class of it's own, there are no royalties to be paid when you manufacture something with it. For everyone who isn't Apple, USB-C is a direct upgrade. That's just a fact of modern manufacturing, not a subjective opinion from an Apple pariah.

> but there’s nothing to evangelize and it’s not going to decrease the amount of cables in use at any given time, nor stave off cable replacements

That's the point of having a universal connector, though. The USB-C standard can be modified in the same way Thunderbolt can, and if Apple wants to upgrade/change USB-C then they can do it the same way they did in 2014. There are other parties involved in the development of hardware ecosystems though, so bringing Apple to-point is the only recourse we have for fixing the situation. If Apple doesn't like that, they should have shown more initiative upgrading their USB2.0-based serial connector.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by sofixa »

arran-nz wrote: post #67

Still waiting for Display Port MST support over USB-C to enable monitor daisy chaining.

That's an extremely stupid limitation. Every other OS does support this, and if Apple are so afraid of degraded quality due to lack of bandwidth, they can just put a warning when you do that.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by xwowsersx »

TwoNineA wrote: post #23

Had to flush com.apple.Spotlight.plist file to get Spotlight working properly. After upgrade, Spotlight couldn't find 3d party apps that were installed already. Also, stage manager is a UI/UX nightmare, I will stick to Rectangle app.

Rectangle app?

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by musha68k »

orr721 wrote: post #46

Anyone else noticed that the Preview app was tinkered with again ? Now it lost the ability to open PostScript files. This feature worked from the very beginning of Mac OSX up till Monterrey. The command line PostScript tools are still present though. Also all Ruby gems with native extensions stopped working for me, even the pre-installed system ones.

They did somewhat similar “feature releases” and “more” to the iWork suite many years ago. It probably still is a shadow of what it once was but TBH I stopped checking and moved on. Ironically preview had been filling some of its shortcomings for me. Yikes.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by xwowsersx »

TwoNineA wrote: post #23

Had to flush com.apple.Spotlight.plist file to get Spotlight working properly. After upgrade, Spotlight couldn't find 3d party apps that were installed already. Also, stage manager is a UI/UX nightmare, I will stick to Rectangle app.

oh I see https://rectangleapp.com/

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by ludwigvan »

xwowsersx wrote: post #93
TwoNineA wrote: post #23

Had to flush com.apple.Spotlight.plist file to get Spotlight working properly. After upgrade, Spotlight couldn't find 3d party apps that were installed already. Also, stage manager is a UI/UX nightmare, I will stick to Rectangle app.

Rectangle app?

https://rectangleapp.com/

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by bpye »

gw99 wrote: post #71
kossTKR wrote: post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

I think they're mostly trying to kill off the old Intel Macs now. And any ARM devices that don't have Neural Engine. I expect the more modern Apple Silicon based ARM devices to have a longer support lifespan than older Macs.

I wonder if that is true. I hope so as I have a first gen M1 MacBook Pro and honestly it’s the best laptop I’ve ever had. I do wonder if either we’re going to see the ARM MacBooks have about the same lifetime as iPhones, or if iPhones will end up being supported for longer since they are architecturally very similar.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by Suzuran »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #35

This upgrade is going to cost me a lot of money. They've dropped support for my beefy 2016 MBP. Soon enough the latest version of XCode is going to require Ventura and I won't be able to build my app. Meanwhile, Linus is only just starting the discussion to drop the 486 from the Linux kernel.

This has more to do with the 486 (or clones of it) having adoption in embedded platforms that run Linux than Linux being reluctant to let support for old consumer-oriented hardware die. For example, Linux doesn't even bother with attempting to mitigate speculative execution vulnerabilities on Intel processors running in 32-bit mode, you are just told you are vulnerable and that's that.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by bpye »

dainiusse wrote: post #75
kossTKR wrote: post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

I explain it simply - they will haste to ger rid of all Intel laptops and don't have to maintain x86 version of macOS. That is them becoming evil.

I wonder about that too… Xcode Cloud runs on Intel server hardware [0] - is Apple going to want to build their own ARM server platform or will they just keep x86 alive enough for their internal server workloads?

[0] - https://twitter.com/khaost/status/1410332951963869185

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by pwinnski »

kossTKR wrote: post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

If something goes wrong with your machine and you've used OpenCore Legacy Patcher, then oh well, something has gone wrong. If something goes wrong with your machine and you've used the official update channel, then Apple has screwed over older machines on purpose and you can join a class-action lawsuit claiming that.

The security footprint of machines running Ventura using OpenCore Legacy Patcher is going to be much smaller than that of machines officially updated, too.

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