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Retired U.S. generals, admirals take top jobs with Saudi crown prince

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Post by rafale »

groffee wrote: post #89
nosianu wrote: post #57

Also just today: BBC headline "Ex-UK pilots lured to help Chinese military, MoD says" https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63293582 With more background info: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/is-china-really-using-... Some highlights from the BBC article: > Former British military pilots are being lured to China with large sums of money to pass on their expertise to the Chinese military, it is claimed. > Up to 30 former…

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Diversity is incompatible with meritocracy. RAF is gonna pay the price for letting the politics du jour impact their performance based criterias.

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Post by dirtyid »

nosianu wrote: post #57

Also just today: BBC headline "Ex-UK pilots lured to help Chinese military, MoD says" https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63293582 With more background info: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/is-china-really-using-... Some highlights from the BBC article: > Former British military pilots are being lured to China with large sums of money to pass on their expertise to the Chinese military, it is claimed. > Up to 30 former…

>The disclaimer sentence

It's a manufacturing consent piece to setup this:

>Anyone working in the UK for “hostile” states like Russia and China who fails to register their role will face up to five years in jail, Suella Braverman will announce on Tuesday.

[0] https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/hostile-state-workers-...

With respect to Saudi's, a lot of Saudi of military is serviced/supported by Pakistanis who feeds info directly back to PRC. And TBH it wouldn't surprise me if PRC "lured" ex Japanese / Korean pilots for info as well.

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Post by stytchwhy »

alexfromapex wrote: post #78
nosianu wrote: post #57

Also just today: BBC headline "Ex-UK pilots lured to help Chinese military, MoD says" https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63293582 With more background info: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/is-china-really-using-... Some highlights from the BBC article: > Former British military pilots are being lured to China with large sums of money to pass on their expertise to the Chinese military, it is claimed. > Up to 30 former…

Saudi Arabia is not as worthy of an adversary as China but they still are a dangerous country to underestimate. They were possibly behind 9/11, after all: https://theintercept.com/2021/09/11/september-11-saudi-arabi... .

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Post by adamsmith143 »

nosianu wrote: post #57

Also just today: BBC headline "Ex-UK pilots lured to help Chinese military, MoD says" https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63293582 With more background info: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/is-china-really-using-... Some highlights from the BBC article: > Former British military pilots are being lured to China with large sums of money to pass on their expertise to the Chinese military, it is claimed. > Up to 30 former…

>is funny - how would they gather that evidence without confessions from the pilots involved or from the Chinese?

MI6 is a thing. What do you think they do all day. You really think these people with classified info in their heads are just walking around blabbing secrets in China or Saudi or wherever?

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Post by Redoubts »

groffee wrote: post #89
nosianu wrote: post #57

Also just today: BBC headline "Ex-UK pilots lured to help Chinese military, MoD says" https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63293582 With more background info: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/is-china-really-using-... Some highlights from the BBC article: > Former British military pilots are being lured to China with large sums of money to pass on their expertise to the Chinese military, it is claimed. > Up to 30 former…

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> the RAF has gone the furthest, setting ambitious targets to more than double its recruitment of women to hit 40% by 2030, as well as to ensure ethnic minorities make up 20% of new recruits.

“Stopped recruiting white men“ eh?

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Post by adamsmith143 »

groffee wrote: post #89
nosianu wrote: post #57

Also just today: BBC headline "Ex-UK pilots lured to help Chinese military, MoD says" https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-63293582 With more background info: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/is-china-really-using-... Some highlights from the BBC article: > Former British military pilots are being lured to China with large sums of money to pass on their expertise to the Chinese military, it is claimed. > Up to 30 former…

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So you think what, that these white men who didn't even get recruited are now training China with their non-existant RAF expertise that they didn't get because they weren't recruited?

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Post by googlryas »

jdminhbg wrote: post #59
jeanluc_discard wrote: post #52

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Generals who oversaw Abu Ghraib are no different. Pax Americana is definitely crumbling before our eyes.

It's ok for two different things to both be bad, we don't have to pretend they're the same.

They're similar in that they're both beyond the pale.

For example, Manadel al-Jamadi was murdered in detention, while being tortured by the US military. The people who murdered him then took "thumbs up" photos with his corpse.

No one was punished for his murder.

NSFW, his corpse is pictured on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Manadel_al-Jamadi

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Post by MichaelZuo »

aerostable_slug wrote: post #83
MichaelZuo wrote: post #34

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Subject by whom? The Saudi Arabian government has their own agenda. And obviously the U.S. government cannot enforce laws or policies in Riyadh.

You honestly think an American flag officer would defect to Saudi Arabia? Really? Russia, China, or Iran would be a far "better" choice for a number of reasons, chiefly the fact that the Saudis might turn the turncoat back over to the US for any number of reasons — like pulling American maintenance contractors out of KSA, which would ground their air force in a matter of days and leave them very vulnerable to Iranian…

I was originally responding to your comment that: 'The security agreements they signed are sufficient to guard national secrets.'

High ranking officers can just as much buy plane tickets as anyone else. Yes, including to countries that may not have entirely harmless intentions.

Signatures on a piece of paper are not the final arbiter of disputes between countries, as demonstrated by the previous administration. Even if they were, not everyone can be trusted 100% just because they made promises to that effect, actions speak louder than words after all.

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Post by raydiatian »

edgefield wrote: post #14
basementcat wrote: post #8

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This sort of thing isn’t all that unusual. John Paul Jones, whom many regard as the "father" of the United States Navy, served as a rear admiral for the Imperial Russian Navy after he retired from the US Navy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Paul_Jones

Perhaps not unusual, but ethical? That’s a different matter. A former US general working for a theocratic, monarchy with a deeply concerning history on human rights raises some serious red flags in my mind.

The fuck is ethical about anything the US military has done since 1945?

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Post by frereubu »

rafale wrote: post #91
groffee wrote: post #89

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Diversity is incompatible with meritocracy. RAF is gonna pay the price for letting the politics du jour impact their performance based criterias.

The meaningful point of diversity intiatives is that they find people who are better than others but who would traditionally be overlooked because of their background. Some initiatives are better executed than others, but this comment comes across as a knee-jerk reaction.
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