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The Real War 1939-1945 (1989)

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Re: The Real War 1939-1945 (1989)

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Yes I really regret personally starting the war now, thanks.

Yo, you laughed about how bored you were because it was so uneventful. It was uneventful for you. I’m not blaming you for the wars, but I do think some perspective on how they affected others is warranted.

Re: The Real War 1939-1945 (1989)

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post #82

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Yes I really regret personally starting the war now, thanks.

Yo, you laughed about how bored you were because it was so uneventful. It was uneventful for you . I’m not blaming you for the wars, but I do think some perspective on how they affected others is warranted.

And you know they don't have a good perspective on this how exactly?

Judge not, lest ye be judged

Re: The Real War 1939-1945 (1989)

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Yo, you laughed about how bored you were because it was so uneventful. It was uneventful for you . I’m not blaming you for the wars, but I do think some perspective on how they affected others is warranted.

And you know they don't have a good perspective on this how exactly? Judge not, lest ye be judged

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Re: The Real War 1939-1945 (1989)

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Bizarre to write something called "the real war" that is focused on American forces, who were, by any measure, enjoying vast advantages and resources unavailable to other combatants (including being able to choose the time and place of engagement). Below is a table of WWII military casualties by nation: World War II casualties - Wikipedia Soviet Union 8,668,000 to 11,400,000 Germany 4,440,000 to 5,318,000 China (1937…

The purpose of the article was to detail the ways that the true visceral horror of world war two was sanitized or censored for public consumption. The contributions of individual nations in the Allied victory was immaterial for the purpose of that article. The title, "The Real War" is drawing a contrast with an imagined "fake" war, where men die with dignity, in important, courageous and heroic circumstances, for high minded ideals, without terrifying disfigurements and mutilations. The title is not saying "the real war was fought and won mostly by Americans for democracy", it's saying "the real war had people piss their pants in fear and die before seeing any combat in a B-29 that was unfit to fly". I do not believe that you saw the title and did not understand this distinction.

Re: The Real War 1939-1945 (1989)

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The US was not in any significant danger of being directly invaded during WWII. It would have been an incredibly costly logistical nightmare for the would-be invaders, very unlikely to succeed. US worries were legitimate (atrocities perpetrated against civilians, future control of Europe/Asia, the international economic order and security of global trade networks, etc.) but “urgent” invasion wasn’t one of them.

Pearl Harbor was US. The Philippines was US. We were literally invaded. They also bombed the West Coast.

> They also bombed the West Coast.

Two bombs, and it was basically a non-event. The intent was to start massive forest fires, but they failed.

They also shelled the West coast, and all they did was damage a baseball backstop at Fort Stevens and tear up the beach a bit.

Re: The Real War 1939-1945 (1989)

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I can strongly recommend Fussel's (the author of this essay) book "The Boys' Crusade", which provides a very eye opening account to WWII. It is most likely a longer version of this essay (I haven't read this essay). I can also recommend his book Poetic Meter & Poetic Form, but for different reasons. Other books in the same vein: - The Warriors: Reflections on Men in Battle by J Glenn Gray (Gray was a philosophy PhD a…

Let me also recommend an extraordinary book about the Russian women who fought in WWII:

The Unwomanly Face of War by Svetlana Alexievich

https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/book-review-u...

Re: The Real War 1939-1945 (1989)

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I didn't fight in WW2 obviously, but I did fight in a war. For me, the reticence to describe every detail to people who weren't there boils down to this: I don't want my wife, my children, or my neighbors to be burdened with thinking of something so horrible. I want them to be happy and safe, that's why I went. No need to bring it to their doorstep if I don't have to. I suspect many during and after WW2 felt this way…

Alternate perspective: I was in Iraq and Afghanistan, I don't talk about it because theres not much to say. I was either standing or sitting some place on guard duty, wired up on an insane amount of caffeine and nicotine, trying not to go insane for the 12 hour shifts. The only thing that punctuated the boredom was the daily mortar attack alarms lol

Whenever I asked my dad about his time in Vietnam, he said something similar, but less comfortable (sleeping in a hot humid bungalow with no AC and lots of rats). I wished I dug a bit deeper.

Re: The Real War 1939-1945 (1989)

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Bizarre to write something called "the real war" that is focused on American forces, who were, by any measure, enjoying vast advantages and resources unavailable to other combatants (including being able to choose the time and place of engagement). Below is a table of WWII military casualties by nation: World War II casualties - Wikipedia Soviet Union 8,668,000 to 11,400,000 Germany 4,440,000 to 5,318,000 China (1937…

The purpose of the article was to detail the ways that the true visceral horror of world war two was sanitized or censored for public consumption. The contributions of individual nations in the Allied victory was immaterial for the purpose of that article. The title, "The Real War" is drawing a contrast with an imagined "fake" war, where men die with dignity, in important, courageous and heroic circumstances, for hig…

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Re: The Real War 1939-1945 (1989)

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I didn't fight in WW2 obviously, but I did fight in a war. For me, the reticence to describe every detail to people who weren't there boils down to this: I don't want my wife, my children, or my neighbors to be burdened with thinking of something so horrible. I want them to be happy and safe, that's why I went. No need to bring it to their doorstep if I don't have to. I suspect many during and after WW2 felt this way…

I haven't, my grandfather did. He was at Pearl Harbor, many battles in the Pacific (he was a submariner), in the end he was part of the occupation of Japan and earned many medals including the purple heart for almost dying in a sub accident. Only as an adult have I come to realize the gift he gave me. When I was a child, I spent a ton of time with him, he had a big hand in raising me. The picture he painted for the y…

My uncle (elder brother of my dad) died on Oder River offence. Two weeks before end of the war. 20 years old guy, sigh. And I also lost all my grandfathers there. Memories in our family are quite fresh.

Re: The Real War 1939-1945 (1989)

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This article is about how the USA as a country lacks the political and cultural maturity about war, compared to for example Europe (and other countries where war was fought on its territory).

Countries that advocate a war or conflict, should fight this out on their own territory. This would solve a lot of problems in the world and would make up for the developmental deficit.

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