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Re: The 4th Year of SerenityOS

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Post by systemvoltage »

phist_mcgee wrote: post #82
systemvoltage wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the comments on Kling’s YT stream read: “Wish we could go back to 2004. Modern web has become toxic af” which embodies the spirit of this community pretty well I think. Andreas Kling is the messiah that is leading a group of people that are fed up with modernity.

Ironically, by using modern tools.

I think revisiting vintage technologies with better modern tools = Win.

It takes advantage of sharp hindsight and correct what was bad, and more importantly keep what worked.

Re: The 4th Year of SerenityOS

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Post by zozbot234 »

cardanome wrote: post #90
miki123211 wrote: post #74

I wouldn't be surprised if, at some point, some commercial project adopts a part of Serenity and turns it into a huge hit, even outside of tech. Such things have definitely happened in the past.. Not many (average) people have heard of KDE or its web engine, KHTML, but almost everybody these days uses Chrome, which, through Apple's WebKit, is descended from KHTML itself. Serenity uses its own libraries everywhere, to…

Which is why I wish they would use a less liberal and more copy-left license to keep the tech monopolists out. It is a huge problem that a certain tech monopolist controls the most popular browser in the world and a shame that this browser was build using the free labor of naive volunteer contributors that just wanted to help out an open source project. Linux would have never been so successful and kept being a free…

> Which is why I wish they would use a less liberal and more copy-left license to stop this scenario from happening.

Huh? You wish SerenityOS's browser engine was not a viable competitor to the Google/Apple browser duopoly? Kind of a weird POV, if you ask me.

Re: The 4th Year of SerenityOS

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Post by abiloe »

BirAdam wrote: post #86
rewgs wrote: post #33

This is just so cool and inspiring to me. I check out pretty much everything Andreas puts out. I wonder if we're watching something comparable to the birth of Linux. I'm not insinuating that Linux would go away or die or anything -- that's absurd -- but I just mean perhaps over time SerenityOS will become more and more used as a "real" OS. For what purpose(s)? No idea. But the whole project really seems to have stayi…

I think this is similar to the birth of Linux, but with two very major differences. (1) we are in a world where open source is the way . (2) it’s somewhat a reaction to the state of modern software, both in UI paradigm and in increasing cartelization. To me, it’s hope.

> we are in a world where open source is the way.

I think you're in a bubble. The world still runs primarily on closed source and proprietary software and services.

Re: The 4th Year of SerenityOS

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Post by andrepd »

zozbot234 wrote: post #92
cardanome wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why I wish they would use a less liberal and more copy-left license to keep the tech monopolists out. It is a huge problem that a certain tech monopolist controls the most popular browser in the world and a shame that this browser was build using the free labor of naive volunteer contributors that just wanted to help out an open source project. Linux would have never been so successful and kept being a free…

> Which is why I wish they would use a less liberal and more copy-left license to stop this scenario from happening. Huh? You wish SerenityOS's browser engine was not a viable competitor to the Google/Apple browser duopoly? Kind of a weird POV, if you ask me.

How on earth is that what you extract from that sentence??

Re: The 4th Year of SerenityOS

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Post by cardanome »

forgotpwd16 wrote: post #52
seti0Cha wrote: post #46

> The original Jakt prototype was written in Rust by myself and JT over a couple of weeks before we made it public. I wrote a post introducing Jakt and the motivations behind it. And JT made a video about the creation of Jakt as well. The Rust-based compiler is now long-gone, and Jakt is fully self-hosted with the Jakt compiler being written in Jakt itself. It's always humbling for me to read updates from SerenityOS…

This is good for Jakt but why another language?

I haven't yet used it but from what I can tell seamless integration with existing C++ code might be quite a killer feature.

Plus everything immutable per default is pretty sweet.

And no borrow checker, so simpler than Rust.

Honestly I could see that language take off even outside of SerenityOS.

Re: The 4th Year of SerenityOS

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Post by cardanome »

zozbot234 wrote: post #92
cardanome wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why I wish they would use a less liberal and more copy-left license to keep the tech monopolists out. It is a huge problem that a certain tech monopolist controls the most popular browser in the world and a shame that this browser was build using the free labor of naive volunteer contributors that just wanted to help out an open source project. Linux would have never been so successful and kept being a free…

> Which is why I wish they would use a less liberal and more copy-left license to stop this scenario from happening. Huh? You wish SerenityOS's browser engine was not a viable competitor to the Google/Apple browser duopoly? Kind of a weird POV, if you ask me.

I am saying it can only be a viable (user-freedom respecting) alternative to the browsers of the tech monopolists if it enforces copy-left and manages to keep the greedy hands of these and other monopolists out if it.

Re: The 4th Year of SerenityOS

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Post by beeman »

I found out about SerenityOS because of the post about Ladybird here on HN a few weeks back.

I have since watched hours of his stream and found it super inspiring. To the extend that I now want to learn some C++ and make some contributions to the project.

It's really refreshing to see people code for fun and build whatever they feel like.

I think a lot of profesional devs lose that when they go all in on their work (which is understandable) so it's awesome to see something like this!

Congrats on the 4 years! Looking forward to what's next!

Re: The 4th Year of SerenityOS

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Post by BirAdam »

abiloe wrote: post #93
BirAdam wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is similar to the birth of Linux, but with two very major differences. (1) we are in a world where open source is the way . (2) it’s somewhat a reaction to the state of modern software, both in UI paradigm and in increasing cartelization. To me, it’s hope.

> we are in a world where open source is the way. I think you're in a bubble. The world still runs primarily on closed source and proprietary software and services.

Linux, Nginx, Apache, PHP, MySQL, WordPress, Chrome, Firefox, various open source NoSQL DBs, NodeJS, Python, RoR… most software is definitely open source. There are the Oracles, z/OS, and MS products and some SaaS stuff, but open source is eating the Earth.

Re: The 4th Year of SerenityOS

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Post by jbirer »

phist_mcgee wrote: post #82
systemvoltage wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the comments on Kling’s YT stream read: “Wish we could go back to 2004. Modern web has become toxic af” which embodies the spirit of this community pretty well I think. Andreas Kling is the messiah that is leading a group of people that are fed up with modernity.

Ironically, by using modern tools.

Modern tools are good, but the culture around it is pretty toxic, and in my own opinion, cringy. 10 years ago you would get booed for saying things like "Unused RAM is wasted ram, so let's build this in Electron". I am happy to see a pushback.
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