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Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by Kiro »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #76
consumer451 wrote: post #58

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> Korean songs I believe the correct term would be lyrics, not songs. A song can have its lyrics translated/altered into an entirely different language and still carry the same weight. Many pop songwriters would argue that the lyrics are one of the least important components. Non-anglophone countries are full of such songs based on English language originals. Though this musical localization seems have be have been m…

> A song can have its lyrics translated/altered into an entirely different language and still carry the same weight. This is not true. Try listening to "the same" song in two different languages that you can speak, one of which being the language the song was written in. One of two things will be true: (a) It is obvious which songs was originally written in that language and which is a translation. (b) It is not obvi…

I never listen to lyrics. Even when I've heard a song hundreds of time I wouldn't be able to tell you what it is about.

For me, the vocals are just another instrument and it doesn't matter what the lyrics are or what language they are in.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by NSMutableSet »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #76
consumer451 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Korean songs I believe the correct term would be lyrics, not songs. A song can have its lyrics translated/altered into an entirely different language and still carry the same weight. Many pop songwriters would argue that the lyrics are one of the least important components. Non-anglophone countries are full of such songs based on English language originals. Though this musical localization seems have be have been m…

> A song can have its lyrics translated/altered into an entirely different language and still carry the same weight. This is not true. Try listening to "the same" song in two different languages that you can speak, one of which being the language the song was written in. One of two things will be true: (a) It is obvious which songs was originally written in that language and which is a translation. (b) It is not obvi…

>Nope. The lyrics are the song. Music with nothing but lyrics sung to a melody is still a song. Music without lyrics is not a song.

You're pedantically correct according to the original definition of the word "song".

But in modern usage, the word is used interchangeably with "instrumental" and "track".

It's used to refer to everything as a whole, whether or not there are lyrics.

Lyricless music is not as popular today as it was during the peak of EDM, but instrumental tracks were/are still referred to as "songs", even though they technically did not contain a song, since there were no lyrics.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by YurgenJurgensen »

moviewatcher333 wrote: post #86
jojok wrote: post #79

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As someone who enjoys both kpop and western pop I feel there's definitely something that about kpop that creates a more intense fandom, but it's not easy to put one's finger on why exactly. One reason might be that in the western music industry there's more of an assumption that the product is the music whereas in kpop the artist is the product. Kpop artists put out a lot of material that makes you feel close to them…

Anime and games target a similar crowd as K-pop. Although anime mostly targets single (lonely) males with obsessive characteristics, K-pop goes mostly after the female parallel.

Looking at the 2021 sales figures, this seems false. While one might argue that Uma Musume, Tensura and Love Live count, the other top-10 grossing franchises of last year are Haikyuu, My Hero Academia, Shingeki no Kyojin, One Piece, Tokyo Revengers, Jujutsu Kaisen and Kimetsu no Yaeba. From this, what anime mostly targets is pretty obvious: School aged boys who read Shounen Jump.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by YurgenJurgensen »

jrockway wrote: post #52
rippercushions wrote: post #40

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This was the old Japanese supergroup model with AKB48 etc, but it never worked outside Japan and is starting to fail there as well.

I was a Morning Musume fan in high school but the members of the group kept getting younger as they were replaced, and I kept getting older. After a while, it stopped making sense to be a fan. (They never did a song "I'm sad about only being able to contribute $20,500 per year to my 401(k)".) I never got into AKB48; is that they problem they are having, or is it something else?

I'm not familiar with the post-COVID situation, but I suspect VTubers may have eaten their lunch by operating a similar business model but without the risk of showing your face in public and becoming an IRL retelling of Perfect Blue.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by astrange »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #81
astrange wrote: post #48

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Jpop has moved in more artistic directions, probably because of fan tastes. Like Attrashi Gakko, who are intentionally produced to look, dance, and sing unpolished and natural (the anti K-pop band)

It's been like that for a while (like "anti-idols"). Japanese media is always unpolished and cheesy anyway, which is one reason anime is the only part anyone outside the country cares about, but the music industry does have a surprising amount of room for letting artists do whatever they want as long as it works.

When I heard about Atarashii Gakkou I thought it was some kind of American fan group because the name sounds like it was Google translated… guess it's just unpolished too.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by arkh »

YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #93
moviewatcher333 wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anime and games target a similar crowd as K-pop. Although anime mostly targets single (lonely) males with obsessive characteristics, K-pop goes mostly after the female parallel.

Looking at the 2021 sales figures, this seems false. While one might argue that Uma Musume, Tensura and Love Live count, the other top-10 grossing franchises of last year are Haikyuu, My Hero Academia, Shingeki no Kyojin, One Piece, Tokyo Revengers, Jujutsu Kaisen and Kimetsu no Yaeba. From this, what anime mostly targets is pretty obvious: School aged boys who read Shounen Jump.

And when you decide to check the offer and not just what some people buy, you have content for a lot of people. Shojo targets young women, Yaoi is not really aimed at a young heterosexual male audience either.

You want diversity in picture books? Mangas have been doing it for more than 40 years. Some of their more successful authors are women.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by someweirdperson »

NSMutableSet wrote: post #92
thaumasiotes wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A song can have its lyrics translated/altered into an entirely different language and still carry the same weight. This is not true. Try listening to "the same" song in two different languages that you can speak, one of which being the language the song was written in. One of two things will be true: (a) It is obvious which songs was originally written in that language and which is a translation. (b) It is not obvi…

>Nope. The lyrics are the song. Music with nothing but lyrics sung to a melody is still a song. Music without lyrics is not a song. You're pedantically correct according to the original definition of the word "song". But in modern usage, the word is used interchangeably with "instrumental" and "track". It's used to refer to everything as a whole, whether or not there are lyrics. Lyricless music is not as popular toda…

I never noticed that specific definition of "song". There's an ege case. Is a track with lyrics consisting only of "oh"s and maybe some "ah"s a song? Wiktionary mentions lyrics [0], but I feel it's more about human vocals than a meaningful message.

[0] https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/song

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by jrockway »

YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #94
jrockway wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was a Morning Musume fan in high school but the members of the group kept getting younger as they were replaced, and I kept getting older. After a while, it stopped making sense to be a fan. (They never did a song "I'm sad about only being able to contribute $20,500 per year to my 401(k)".) I never got into AKB48; is that they problem they are having, or is it something else?

I'm not familiar with the post-COVID situation, but I suspect VTubers may have eaten their lunch by operating a similar business model but without the risk of showing your face in public and becoming an IRL retelling of Perfect Blue.

Oh yeah, people really like the vtubers don't they. I see it all the time on r/all, but never really made the association with the AKB48 type fans.

Re: Build your fanbase using the K-pop method

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Post by brainzap »

jojok wrote: post #79
ziml77 wrote: post #9

Is any of this much different from pop boy bands of the 00's? You make generic, catchy songs that are hard to resist. Then have a group of four or five attractive teens perform the song. And then Highlight each individual so people form a parasocial relationship with the band members. The fanaticism follows quite easily from there.

As someone who enjoys both kpop and western pop I feel there's definitely something that about kpop that creates a more intense fandom, but it's not easy to put one's finger on why exactly. One reason might be that in the western music industry there's more of an assumption that the product is the music whereas in kpop the artist is the product. Kpop artists put out a lot of material that makes you feel close to them…

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