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Caffeine and Exercise Performance

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Re: Caffeine and Exercise Performance

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I work out 2h/d/365d and used to take 450mg boosters, incl. the usual suspects like Citrullin, β-A, etc. every morning. Went cold turkey and I'm now at a single shot of Espresso pre-workout — and the best shape of my life (mid-40). Sleep and nutrition are key; don't get dependent on whatever supplement you think is necessary.

What do you mean you work out for 2h literally every day?

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Nice, i should try that out. Is half-caff decaf, or is it a third class?

I have no idea, but you can buy coffees that are lower caffeine varieties. Robusta isn’t generally great tasting but generally has a lot of caffeine and is added to blends for this reason (and because it’s cheap). Trying full strength but low caffeine varieties might be a nice option. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_caffeine_coffee

Thanks!

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#93
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I have long been fascinated by the degree to which WWII was fought on caffeine and nicotine (on all sides and all theatres). Other drugs (e.g. amphetamine and Benzedrine) get some press but we’re minor factors. I did a few experiments decades ago with nicotine, enough to notice its nice resonant behavior with coffee, but not enough I guess to notice any real benefit myself. I did relish the social habits associated w…

I used to drink heaps of coffee - a mug or two before work, two or three takeaway cups from the amazing 'Algerian Coffee Stores' on Dean Street, Soho. And then a filter or two in the afternoon.

Then one day I had a panic attack, not a terrible one, but I felt pretty shocking. The next morning I had my coffee, and the panic came back. Every time I drank coffee I felt the same.

I lusted after coffee, I had blinding headaches and would wake up thinking about coffee for a month or two. Even knowing what it would do to me, my body was desperate for it.

After about 6 months I could handle one small coffee again without panic, and now I can have two or three a day without issue - I've not tried pushing it further, but some days when I'm stressed, even a second coffee will leave me feeling a little overwhelmed.

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I have long been fascinated by the degree to which WWII was fought on caffeine and nicotine (on all sides and all theatres). Other drugs (e.g. amphetamine and Benzedrine) get some press but we’re minor factors. I did a few experiments decades ago with nicotine, enough to notice its nice resonant behavior with coffee, but not enough I guess to notice any real benefit myself. I did relish the social habits associated w…

I feel you on the social elements. I find keeping a tin of breath mints and sharing them creates a similar social atmosphere with friends and colleagues, that shared time to mull over thoughts or chat, similar to a smoke break. Morning walks/runs also create this I find.

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#95
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What do you use for micronutrients? I recently started using a Green Powder, and I think I'm getting great results, but they are quite expensive...

On the cheap you can take a random ZMA and Vit D supps. For full multivitamin, I recommend Thorne, which uses the most bioavailable chelated versions of vitamins and minerals. Once you learn how in-bioavailable the vast majority of ingredients in a standard MV are, you will feel sad

Yeah I was worried about bioavailability. I already use ZMA and Vit D, I will check out Thorne. Thanks!

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I have long been fascinated by the degree to which WWII was fought on caffeine and nicotine (on all sides and all theatres). Other drugs (e.g. amphetamine and Benzedrine) get some press but we’re minor factors. I did a few experiments decades ago with nicotine, enough to notice its nice resonant behavior with coffee, but not enough I guess to notice any real benefit myself. I did relish the social habits associated w…

It's amusing to see "WWII" as if the military today doesn't still run on these things. It's more Monster energy drink and vaping these days (I guess still dip for dudes who grew up south of the Mason-Dixon line), but at least in the US Army, the Soldiers are still being fueled by caffeine and nicotine. All the other advice about vitamins and turning off screens and what not kind of goes out the window when you're getting 2 hours of sleep a night for over a year.

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#97
post #18

I work out 2h/d/365d and used to take 450mg boosters, incl. the usual suspects like Citrullin, β-A, etc. every morning. Went cold turkey and I'm now at a single shot of Espresso pre-workout — and the best shape of my life (mid-40). Sleep and nutrition are key; don't get dependent on whatever supplement you think is necessary.

What do you mean you work out for 2h literally every day?

Common response to a midlife crisis, honestly. I was hit hard by spine injuries in my mid-30s and, frankly, almost ready to end shit if not for my wife and the hope of treatment. Years after recovering from all the surgeries, now in my 40s, I've bounced back hard in the other direction. I take Sundays off, so not literally every day, but I lift 6 days a week for 60-90 minutes, walk for 30-60 minutes every morning and 60-90 minutes every evening, row reasonably hard 3-4 days a week for 20-30 minutes. As far as I understand, the average American spends 3 hours a day watching television, so it's not like we don't have the time. I just don't do that. Plus, I work from home, so I'm not blowing an extra 3 hours a day on commuting and taking a lunch break.

It's now or never. It's not like it'll get easier in my 50s or I'll get another chance in the next life. We've only got this one.

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I have long been fascinated by the degree to which WWII was fought on caffeine and nicotine (on all sides and all theatres). Other drugs (e.g. amphetamine and Benzedrine) get some press but we’re minor factors. I did a few experiments decades ago with nicotine, enough to notice its nice resonant behavior with coffee, but not enough I guess to notice any real benefit myself. I did relish the social habits associated w…

I used to drink heaps of coffee - a mug or two before work, two or three takeaway cups from the amazing 'Algerian Coffee Stores' on Dean Street, Soho. And then a filter or two in the afternoon. Then one day I had a panic attack, not a terrible one, but I felt pretty shocking. The next morning I had my coffee, and the panic came back. Every time I drank coffee I felt the same. I lusted after coffee, I had blinding hea…

Based on my experience combining Lion's Mane supplements [0] with caffeine I'm curious if it'd make any difference in your situation WRT caffeine. For me it eliminates ~all of the negative effects of the stimulant, even withdrawal symptoms, so I just go on and off of heavy usage at will.

[0] https://www.amazon.com/Mushroom-Supplement-Vegetarian-Nature...

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For people interested in using caffeine for tasks that don't provide an outlet for the jitteriness in the form of physical exercise: Check out L-Theanine[1], it works wonders for keeping caffeine's focus, but dampening the anxiousness. [1]: https://examine.com/supplements/theanine/

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post #93

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I used to drink heaps of coffee - a mug or two before work, two or three takeaway cups from the amazing 'Algerian Coffee Stores' on Dean Street, Soho. And then a filter or two in the afternoon. Then one day I had a panic attack, not a terrible one, but I felt pretty shocking. The next morning I had my coffee, and the panic came back. Every time I drank coffee I felt the same. I lusted after coffee, I had blinding hea…

Based on my experience combining Lion's Mane supplements [0] with caffeine I'm curious if it'd make any difference in your situation WRT caffeine. For me it eliminates ~all of the negative effects of the stimulant, even withdrawal symptoms, so I just go on and off of heavy usage at will. [0] https://www.amazon.com/Mushroom-Supplement-Vegetarian-Nature...

My wife has some of that - maybe I'll try it! Interestingly, since long covid, she can barely face coffee. Some days she'll have one, but generally too much for her (as is drinking alcohol now). So the supplements does not remove the negatives of coffee for her.
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