Earlier quoted context omitted.
so much for being covert, they aren't too great their job.
How would you blow up a pipeline without anyone noticing?
If nobody notices, did you really blow up the pipeline?
Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Putin, because he gets an excuse to cut Germany off of Russian gas. It's game of chicken now: the West sends weapons to help Ukrainian army chase off all the Russian invaders, and Putin tries to make energy crisis in EU so severe that Europe is forced to negotiate with him, and accept Russian conquest of parts of the Ukraine. Whoever can stay on their course longer wins.
No pipelines means no Russian gas period. Putin loses because even if he wanted to, he can't send gas anymore. I've been hoping from the start that someone would sabotage the pipelines to remove the temptation. Guess I got my wish.
So, eu gets fucked, no incentive for peace talks, less weapons for ukraine, ukraine gets fucked,...
you must be an american, since they're the only ones who profit from all this.
Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#94Who would benefit from this?
Isn't that obvious? It's to strengthen Germany's resolve. The temptation to surrender and get the gas turned back on is going to be enormous this coming winter. Germany and several other countries have made plans to shut down parts of heavy industry to save gas for heating. This is more than likely to put increasing pressure on governments to give in to Russia's demands. Now they can't, even if they want to, so that…
> Isn't that obvious?
No. These aren’t disabling attacks.
It could be a warning from the Kremlin; a false flag operation; internecine warfare; interference by the U.S., Gulf or private actors in Norway; or a pipeline built by the same corruption that shipped cardboard armour [1] doing what Russian-involved infrastructure does.
[1] https://mobile.twitter.com/nazk_gov/status/15019605885950156...
Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#95Biden himself told they would do it, and "promised they have ways to do it" (from ca 1:20): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS4O8rGRLf8&t=82s
Which means, since this is cloak-and-dagger stuff, we could add to the list of suspects "anyone who could get access to that Pipeline and wants to destabilize relations between the United States and Germany."
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
But who is that? Ukraine should be fine with having Germany buy Russian gas since Germany keeps sending arms and push others to send arms. I don't see why the US would care either now that Germany is finally moving away from Russian gas. And Russia can just close the pipeline in a less destructive way.
>But who is that? The USA has long wanted to interfere in Germanys' relations with Russia and has done so, over and over, to ensure they are never true allies. So, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume the US is behind these attacks.
Feb 7, 2022
> Biden: “If Russia invades -- that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine, again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2,”
> Journalist: “But how will you do that exactly, since the project and control of the project is within Germany’s control?”
> Biden: “We will, I promise you, we’ll be able to do it,” Biden replied.
I don't want to play conspiracy guy, but the statement stuck in my mind since he said it.
Re: Three Nord Stream gas pipelines damaged in one day
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't that obvious? It's to strengthen Germany's resolve. The temptation to surrender and get the gas turned back on is going to be enormous this coming winter. Germany and several other countries have made plans to shut down parts of heavy industry to save gas for heating. This is more than likely to put increasing pressure on governments to give in to Russia's demands. Now they can't, even if they want to, so that…
There really isn't anywhere close to something like a median voter wanting to get the gas flowing from Russia again in Germany - now or in the winter. A government giving in to the more fringy hard right/hard left asking for that would not survive. The German-Russian relationship has been damaged for decades to come now.
I strongly disagree. People in Germany couldn't care less about Ukraine because it is far away. Most assume that Putin will win this war anyways. However, they care strongly about cheap Gas because it directly influences their lives.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
But who is that? Ukraine should be fine with having Germany buy Russian gas since Germany keeps sending arms and push others to send arms. I don't see why the US would care either now that Germany is finally moving away from Russian gas. And Russia can just close the pipeline in a less destructive way.
The USA are the obvious answer. They've refused export licenses for gas for years specifically to keep US energy cheap so the US can compete with german industry. China are another answer. If they can't get the gas, there is less incentive for peace so more chance of the conflict rolling on and distracting from their activities. Plus, more gas for them to buy more cheaply etc. Chunks of the middle east as well, they…
China seems to want this war to end sooner rather than later based on recent comments from their politburo.
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
As far as I can tell the Russian leverage has so far proven to be very small (it caused Germany to hesitate at the start of the invasion but right now Germany pushes heavily for supporting Ukraine) and it is decreasing for each day that the gas storage are getting filled and more LNG terminals near completion. Endangering this progress right now seems foolish.
Do you have a source vor LNG terminals nearing completion. I thought this would take years?
The EU started funding LNG terminals back in 2018, or possibly even earlier. Here is an old paper form 2019 from the EU which lists several projects which were supposed to finish in 2022 or 2022 even if this war has not happened.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_19_...