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Could you share some of this evidence that hopefully isn't from obviously religious sources or religiously funded?

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>religious funding can't hold a candle to funding available to the porn industry

Let me remind you that Catholic Church literally got its own fake country - two, if you count states without real territory. How many porn companies have that?

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> So, if truth was said 2,000 years ago, it certainly can't apply today...interesting. It's interesting you automatically assume it's "truth", not random opinions. And yes, we, collectively as humanity, have evolved since two millennia. E.g. we no longer consider slavery normal. So using opinions from 2000 years ago that were made in a drastically different environment simply doesn't make sense. It's like using laws…

> It's interesting you automatically assume it's "truth" Well, not automatically. I confess my automatic response is to go with what is easy. It is certainly easier to believe there is no God like the Abrahamic God we must pay attention to, and like you say because things change we just can't trust that some things will never change... but my friend in response to the rest of your comment I've found easier isn't alwa…

It’s not easier, quite the opposite - “god” is essentially a psychological cheat code, convenient by making it possible to avoid thinking for oneself and instead shift responsibility of one’s conduct to mythology of choice.

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Could you share some of this evidence that hopefully isn't from obviously religious sources or religiously funded?

Porn addiction is a treatable mental illness in all first world countries.

So is sex addiction, food addiction, videogame addiction and many other kinds of addiction to things which are pleasant and normal yet maladaptive when overdone.

GP was asked to substantiate the harm of porn, not the harm of porn addiction.

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> Search engines find lots of things, including misinformation You say this like the only people peddling this alleged "misinformation" (which is quickly losing it meaning, anyway) are bible thumping pastors who somehow can afford an army to do so. In 2001 the porn industry was worth billions [1]. It is not an insane stretch to assume this has tripled, quadrupled, or more with the rise of the modern internet. If we i…

> Instead of actually providing counter-evidence you dismiss whatever you don't like as "misinformation" What I actually did was reading an article you linked in your previous comment, and quoting parts of it. Is it my fault that it contained information you did not like?

My previous comment?

Check the username.

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>If one doesn't start with the premise that Christian beliefs are bogus I get where you're coming from, and as long as no one is compelling the "victim" I think they should be free to make their own mistakes. That said, it's very well proven that you cannot change your sexual orientation and anyone claiming you can is a fraudster whether they dress as a priest or medical professional or an "accountability partner" or…

There are numerous cases of changes to "sexual orientation".

We can argue the validity of people's claims to have changed their orientation back and forth, but the science is in:

>Some of the largest studies report little to no reported change in sexual orientation, and reports of success are unpersuasive due to serious methodological limitations and sometimes major flaws in study designs.

>Evidence of harm associated with conversion therapy outweighs reports of some benefits, such as social support and a sense of belonging. In addition, the reported benefits are common to most forms of talking therapy or support groups and could be provided by other, more affirmative, approaches that mitigate risks of harm.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/conversion-therap...

Oct 2021.

Re: The Ungodly Surveillance of Anti-Porn ‘Shameware’ Apps

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Maybe the author was referring to other one of the thousands of gods that exist because of the other numerous religions? I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of them disapproved the concept of spyware, and I'm sure more than one would approve of pornography.

Considering the article is focused on Christianity, I doubt that.

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So I consider myself a fairly religious person. I went through RCIA and is in good communion with the Church. After I received Catechesis and was Baptized, I began to dig deeper.. I started reading many of the Encyclical Letters (Humane Vitae, Sacerdotalis Caelibatus, etc.), history of early Church fathers, as well the works of theological philosophy such as Summa Theloica and so on, I've concluded that far too many…

I appreciate your heartfelt comment. The following is an honest criticism on your sentiment, which while well-meaning, is actually harmful to many children around the world right now who need a light shone on this issue. > When you mix this with right wing politics, nationalists, extremists,.. you end up with something that ventures so far from Catholicism that it becomes unrecognizable. The reality is that the past…

I reaffirm my previous statement. You were raised by a lunatic who abused you over and over, and you assume it was the religion that was the cause of your trouble.

It's likely that even without this religion, your father would have become a fanatic of a different one - and become just as insufferable.

No one is dismissing your pain, we just realize you're painting with a wide brush. Catholics are many millions of people. I'm not surprised there are lunatics among us.

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I was raised Catholic, and none of that happened. You were raised by a lunatic.

You were probably raised by a kind of Catholic I call "Catholic Light". They pray, go to church, think of god from time to time, and that's about it. Hardcore Catholicism is scary like any extremist religion, it will instill in children the fear of being watched and judged all the time, with no place to hide, not even your thoughts. It will make you fear eternal torture in hell because you're impure since birth, and…

I'll say the same thing I said to soulofmischief: you're painting with a broad brush.

Who's to say my "Catholic light" behaviour isn't how the majority of what Catholics act? In fact, I bet that's so.

Characterizing a group by a small minority is the work of demagogues and thugs.

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I appreciate your heartfelt comment. The following is an honest criticism on your sentiment, which while well-meaning, is actually harmful to many children around the world right now who need a light shone on this issue. > When you mix this with right wing politics, nationalists, extremists,.. you end up with something that ventures so far from Catholicism that it becomes unrecognizable. The reality is that the past…

I reaffirm my previous statement. You were raised by a lunatic who abused you over and over, and you assume it was the religion that was the cause of your trouble. It's likely that even without this religion, your father would have become a fanatic of a different one - and become just as insufferable. No one is dismissing your pain, we just realize you're painting with a wide brush. Catholics are many millions of peo…

It wasn't my father. I didn't live with my parents. You're also glossing over the fact that this man was venerated and protected by the church. That they had a leadership position in the church and community. That it's part of a much larger systematic abuse within the church. That the church has a long and colorful history of this kind of behavior from leadership including many popes, countless bishops and even more priests. The crusades.

You're pretending that this isn't a gigantic structural, institutional issue because you don't want to accept you've been praying to a made up deity and supporting a terrible institution. You also glossed over my point that a large majority of Christians and Catholics are in countries with much different views on normalized child abuse.

You can blind yourself all you want to reality, you can convince yourself my situation is unique, but it's not. If you truly care about yourself and the church, I implore you to take a few more deep dives into the church's history, and not cherry-pick the good parts while ignoring the awful parts.

There's a lot of good things in the bible and in the clergy. There's also a ton of bad, which is quite often minimized by people such as yourself. What you're doing is harmful, plain and simple.

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You were probably raised by a kind of Catholic I call "Catholic Light". They pray, go to church, think of god from time to time, and that's about it. Hardcore Catholicism is scary like any extremist religion, it will instill in children the fear of being watched and judged all the time, with no place to hide, not even your thoughts. It will make you fear eternal torture in hell because you're impure since birth, and…

I'll say the same thing I said to soulofmischief: you're painting with a broad brush. Who's to say my "Catholic light" behaviour isn't how the majority of what Catholics act? In fact, I bet that's so. Characterizing a group by a small minority is the work of demagogues and thugs.

> Who's to say my "Catholic light" behaviour isn't how the majority of what Catholics act?

It's not about how the sheep act, or if they believe their own dogma. It's how the leadership acts, now and historically. And public sentiment is also localized. Not every Christian is born in white America.

> Characterizing a group by a small minority is the work of demagogues and thugs.

The small minority (a questionable label without citation) does the majority of damage, while the rest of the congregation fund and venerate them, sticking their heads up their own asses so that they don't have to see what they're really contributing to.

Painting your detractors as thugs is just so lame, so lazy, I know you can do better than that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence

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