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Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by pupppet »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #28
Mikeb85 wrote: post #5

All the doublespeak is actually pretty amazing to witness... We're defending Russia but also "liberated" Kherson and Zaporizhzhia... The west is threatening us with nuclear weapons... The regime which came into power in 2014 (nevermind that Poroshenko and that whole group were voted out in a democratic election where Zelenskiy and his party, who were notably more friendly to Russia at first, came to power)...

But see, if all of Ukraine is really part of Russia, then it all makes sense. They are "liberating" occupied territory, and "defending" Russia itself. If. But that's a psychological point in Putin's mind, not a reality in the real world. We're at the point where the pathologies of one man are driving this war.

Even that spin doesn't really work, who threatens to nuke their own territory?

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by theironhammer »

heneryville wrote: post #76
theironhammer wrote: post #43

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Why do people keep throwing out John Meersheimer like we've never heard of him before. We're 6 months into this thing and we've read him by now. We just think he's wrong. Is he still asking for a return to the Minsk accords like that's even plausible at this point? Meersheimer hasn't really added much new thought since the war started. Mostly it's just, "we could have avoided this by giving Putin what he wanted", whi…

Yes Ukraine is the biggest loser here. EU a distant second.

Washington's goal is to become the defacto supplier of gas and oil to Europe and cut Russia right out of the market thereby crippling them financially. And the War in Ukraine helps to deplete Russia's military strength.

This is a dangerous game as Washington is gambling that Putin won't go Nuclear even if he's losing. Moreover, so far it's just succeeded into driving Russia into the arms of China, making China stronger. In addition, the gas war threatens to cripple Germany's economy and hence the EU. How long will Europeans back this war?

Putin was a fool as he took Washington's bait. Instead of War he maybe could've threatened to cut off EUs supply of gas. IDK. Ukrainian people are the biggest losers.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by theironhammer »

ROTMetro wrote: post #53
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John Meersheimer's thesis is based on Meersheimer's belief that 'Putin never lied prior to the way war not way '. Not really stable foundation to build his thesis on.

His thesis is based on Spheres of Influence. That's RealPolitik not D2P.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by theironhammer »

Someone wrote: post #27
namelessoracle wrote: post #15

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People said much the same about Syria, and yet Assad is still there. Ukraine would be foolish to trust the North America or Europe to support them forever, especially if even more major economic issues happen in either continent. That seems to be Putins play, he is hoping the West's internal issues sufficiently flare up. This winter will probably determine that. The only real diplomatic path is to convince China to s…

> The only real diplomatic path is to convince China to sever with Russia, and thats not gonna happen. It’s not going to fully happen, but Putin met Xi Jinping in Uzbekistan last week, and returned a bit disappointed. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/09/16/world/vladimir-... : “President Vladimir Putin acknowledged Thursday that China had “questions and concerns” about Russia’s war in Ukraine, a notable, if cry…

China needs Russia. As tensions rise between China and USA regarding hegemony China will need Russian commodities.

This is why Nixon sought to keep China and Russia separate. I don't know what the US State department's strategy is with Ukraine except to become energy supplier to Europe and grind Russia down. But in the process make China stronger?

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by orwin »

trasz wrote: post #80
orwin wrote: post #65

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No. They have less than 800 multipurpose and attack planes combined (because i don't want to explain it in another comment: they have air superiority, so their fighter plan count isn't relevant). If we consider Russian hardware as well maintained as France or US, it means 650 available planes max for offensive operations. A bit more than 50 planes are confirmed destroyed, so I'll round it up to 600. That means 300 so…

Russia doesn't have air superiority. That's the suspected reason they hadn't been using their air force very much. And it will only get worse to them, because of NATO air defenses.

They do have air superiority, it's just not the air superiority we use to see when the US is involved in a war.

Air superiority during WW2 meant that your fighter+recon force is dominant in the 3rd dimension. You can have air superiority and suffer more from air interdiction than the enemy (and usually that's how it goes btw, see WW2 and Korea war).

Air superiority is needed to be able to send your attack planes in enemy territory overtly, which the russian do. Not much, but they do.

Like i said, i took fairly large numbers to explain why the airforce didn't do much (i don't remember the comment but it should be something like 200 outing per day on average, when in the first gulf war, the US managed 800 outing a day on average for 43 days, on a smaller country with better terrain).

Now, the real number? I think that of their 800 attack planes, they only have 300 to 400 available, because of what we've seen of their equipment and the rampant corruption.

I don't think they have enough mechanics to prepare more than a hundred planes a day originally, and they stupidly lost some their mechanics during the first week of the war (encamped in a Ukrainian airport on the frontline). I think this is the reason whay the outing are so reduced compared to the early days in fact.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by theironhammer »

generj wrote: post #59
diimdeep wrote: post #58

Can anyone clarify something that I have recently heard in interview (Russian language)[1]: that U.S. citizens believe that U.S. defeated Nazis and won WW2, and not USSR. Is this in your experience is mostly true or false ? [1] https://youtu.be/Q0oRii7zV9A?t=1973

The broadly accepted view is that the USSR won their front of the war using American supplies and Russian blood. And that the western fronts would have been far worse except for the Eastern front bleeding Germany dry. The US won against Japan essentially without help from the USSR.

I would agree and add that the American and British soldiers were "lions lead by donkeys" and if not for the might of the American industrial machine supplying materiél the superior trained and leas German forces would've at least prevailed much longer than they did.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by theironhammer »

nostrademons wrote: post #2

So deciphering the double-speak: Russia is instituting a draft, they consider Crimea part of Russia's territorial integrity, efforts to dehumanize the opposition or paint it as a shadowy international conspiracy continue, and they're threatening nuclear war. Get ready for WW3.

Crimea affords Russia with a warm water port. There's no way in Hell they will give that up.

Putin took Crimea because he was afraid of losing it if Ukraine joined NATO.

Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by ajl666 »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #87
ajl666 wrote: post #29

It's sad to see how easily westerners are mislead by our own leaders, who ape Soviet contempt for constituents and maliciously ignore voter inputs. You should at least make an effort to see things from the Russian point of view. To say there's nothing valid in the Russian state's actions, is really idiotic. 1) Are post WW2 borders sacred? 2) The dissolution of the USSR was chaotic, unnegotiated, and basically due to…

All your points completely miss the fact that Ukrainians want to be free from Russia. They're not a pawn to be passed between powers, they're a free country.

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Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by ajl666 »

alkonaut wrote: post #81
theironhammer wrote: post #45

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Excellent post. Thank-you for this. And to anyone who thinks taking the Russian point of view means you are Russian shill please view some John Meersheimer on YouTube. He also references prominent and respected IR American scholars who criticize American policy towards post Soviet Russia. It's been a disastrous mess. And now we face possible nuclear war because of arrogance.

Defending the invasion is being a Russian shill. Arguing that policies have been poor isn’t. It’s possible that this war could have been avoided through different policies, but this is an unprovoked invasion. Arguing it somehow has any responsibility outside Russia is like arguing rape victims should have dressed more appropriately.

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Re: Address by the President of the Russian Federation

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Post by trasz »

topspin wrote: post #8

Putin has no choice. He's had no choice since he started all of this in 2014; he can't back down because that outcome isn't survivable for a Russian leader. It's going to take 100,000+ dead Russians. At some point the military and civilian leadership in Russia will realize that Putin has to go, and that is when all this will end. There is a lot of death and destruction yet to go. Ukraine will struggle with hundreds o…

>Iran is flying in large quantities of drones that will expose Ukraine's forces to effective Russian artillery.

Not really, Russia doesn’t have precision guided munitions. Ukraine - or NATO - is at least decade ahead technologically, maybe two.

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