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The movie Hackers was released 27 years ago

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Re: The movie Hackers was released 27 years ago

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Between Hackers, Masters of Doom, and other rad 90s hacker-coder media, software development really seemed like a much more awesome career than it turned out to be. If I had a time machine I would warn young me that it's really more like a combination of Office Space and Wolf of Wall Street. It would be awesome to listen to Prodigy or Megadeth while hackin' with the gang though. I'm still down for that if it exists s…

I would liken the portrayal of computer science in Hackers to the portrayal of criminology in Batman Forever

Re: The movie Hackers was released 27 years ago

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My wife and I went to a showing of Hackers at DNALounge in 2020 - https://www.dnalounge.com/calendar/2020/02-28.html.

They set it up to look like Cyberdelia. After the movie they ran a costume contest. The showing was just weeks before the pandemic truly hit America, and we felt pretty lucky that we made it home with out anything.

Re: The movie Hackers was released 27 years ago

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Hackers and Sneakers are maybe the only decent movies about so-called hackers.

I often tell people that if they want to see a fun movie, see Hackers, but if they want to know what hacking is like, see Sneakers. ... though the all-nighter scene in Hackers where they just "flow" out some code while techno plays over the montage is also pretty accurate.

I tend to describe Hackers as depicting what coding feels like on the inside.

All those great visuals, the pumping music, it captures the emotion of getting your teeth into a really gnarly problem, and the exuberance of eventually coming up with a solution. People watching over the shoulder of a developer at work are just going to see a bunch of scrolling text and tedious iterations of red, red, red, green, reload, alt-tab, change a thing, wait, red, red, red, green, and so on. But that workflow - if you dig the work - is enthralling. And when you solve the problem, it's worth throwing your hands up with glee, and (internally) belting out a cheesy action hero oneliner.

Not to mention when you are real-time dealing with attackers trying to compromise your systems, the chaos and exasperation and desperate attempts to block them very much match the climactic scene of The Plague and his hapless techno weenies typing "cookie".

I'm probably biased because of my age and the time in my career when I first watched the movie (around the same time as my first job) but to me it still feels like the most authentic silver screen portrayal of what I do. More modern shows often capture the cold, hard reality of the work better, which admittedly is just a bunch of text scrolling on a screen. And there are definitely works that better satirize the office culture, like Office Space and Silicon Valley. But there still hasn't been much that captured the excitement of the time, and can really explain to people outside of the industry why at least a certain subset of 1990s teenagers felt compelled to get into this apparently boring and nerdy career.

I suppose it's very "of its time", because nowadays everyone understands why kids want to get into IT - it's one of the most flexible and lucrative careers there is.

Re: The movie Hackers was released 27 years ago

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Hackers and Sneakers are maybe the only decent movies about so-called hackers.

Sneakers really doesn't get enough love, probably because I'm not sure people knew what to make of it. Names so big the billboards couldn't hold them all, but doing things with computers that didn't make sense to your average viewer. So punk, even if half of them are in suits. I love Hackers, but it's like a generational sequel to Sneakers.

Re: The movie Hackers was released 27 years ago

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Between Hackers, Masters of Doom, and other rad 90s hacker-coder media, software development really seemed like a much more awesome career than it turned out to be. If I had a time machine I would warn young me that it's really more like a combination of Office Space and Wolf of Wall Street. It would be awesome to listen to Prodigy or Megadeth while hackin' with the gang though. I'm still down for that if it exists s…

>Between Hackers, Masters of Doom, and other rad 90s hacker-coder media, software development really seemed like a much more awesome career than it turned out to be. I think it comes down to the fact that our industry has become rigid and beholden to the university education system. John Carmack and John Romero were both college dropouts. Their stories would probably be impossible today. What we have now is a world o…

John Carmack was also constantly working on the cutting edge. I think that makes a big difference. IIRC from reading MoD, he was the first person to get true side-scrolling working on an x86 chip, before it was thought to not be powerful enough vs the chips used in consoles at the time. Problem is that most of us just don't get to work on the cutting edge usually. A lot of the software that needs building often doesn't need much in the way of creativity.

Re: The movie Hackers was released 27 years ago

#96

Between Hackers, Masters of Doom, and other rad 90s hacker-coder media, software development really seemed like a much more awesome career than it turned out to be. If I had a time machine I would warn young me that it's really more like a combination of Office Space and Wolf of Wall Street. It would be awesome to listen to Prodigy or Megadeth while hackin' with the gang though. I'm still down for that if it exists s…

I would liken the portrayal of computer science in Hackers to the portrayal of criminology in Batman Forever

People miss the trees for the forest when complaining about Hackers.

https://www.amazon.com/Peter-Norton-Programmers-Guide-IBM/dp...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NYNEX

Re: The movie Hackers was released 27 years ago

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post #55

Between Hackers, Masters of Doom, and other rad 90s hacker-coder media, software development really seemed like a much more awesome career than it turned out to be. If I had a time machine I would warn young me that it's really more like a combination of Office Space and Wolf of Wall Street. It would be awesome to listen to Prodigy or Megadeth while hackin' with the gang though. I'm still down for that if it exists s…

Hackers shows the career guys as lame and high strung, but the hobbyists (or as Razor and Blade put it, those hacking as a survival trait) as cool and having fun. It's easy for something fun to have the fun sucked out of it when it becomes a career. I think a part of the hacker sub-culture that Hackers touches on lightly is that you have to make your own space. It's not going to exist for you in some prepackaged easy…

Today at lunch I dyed my hair orange and then went back to my SAP consulting engagement.

Re: The movie Hackers was released 27 years ago

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Type "cookie" you idiot!

This is one of the best lines from any movie ever. I used it on a much younger co-worker of mine when he was having an issue with a website and it turned out to be a problem with cookies. It was clear to me from his facial response that he had never seen the movie. It didn't go over well.

Back in the 70s there was actually a piece of malware running on the PDP systems of the time called "Cookie Monster" that actually would halt the user's session and display "GIVE ME A COOKIE"; the only way to clear it was to type "cookie". This only worked temporarily, however, and some versions of the program demanded cookies more and more frequently.

The Cookie Monster program was a part of hacker lore, including the Jargon File, at the time of the release of Hackers. I remember recognizing the reference when I saw the movie. Many of the other viruses and malwares in the movie ("Arf Arf Gotcha", the "Da Vinci Virus" being a reference to the Michelangelo virus scare of 1992) were also references to legendary real-world hacker lore. Even Zero Cool's crashing of 1507 systems in one day was a reference to Robert Morris's worm of the late 1980s.

Re: The movie Hackers was released 27 years ago

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

you didn't love swordfish?

I hated it. IIRC, there is this part where the main character is trying to assemble a virus, shouting "compile, compile, please compile... YES!". I wasn't convinced about this hacker having problems to compile a program... OR There is another possible explanation but I have to check dates since I think the movie was released way before the first version of Rust!!!

Vulnerability discovery and programming are different skill sets. I've seen terrible code written by talented security researchers.

Re: The movie Hackers was released 27 years ago

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hackers shows the career guys as lame and high strung, but the hobbyists (or as Razor and Blade put it, those hacking as a survival trait) as cool and having fun. It's easy for something fun to have the fun sucked out of it when it becomes a career. I think a part of the hacker sub-culture that Hackers touches on lightly is that you have to make your own space. It's not going to exist for you in some prepackaged easy…

Today at lunch I dyed my hair orange and then went back to my SAP consulting engagement.

I'm surprised your SAP admin approved that change request.
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