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Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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Post by myth_drannon »

wil421 wrote: post #22
myth_drannon wrote: post #9

It's sad that people in occupied regions of Ukraine are punished twice, by Russian government and by US government too.

I’ve seen videos where captured Russian soldiers are actually conscripts from the contested regions. I would think they have a lot more to worry about than okta authentication.

Yes, so these people will be more isolated and in information bubble of RU. They can't get messages from others to stay out of the streets/work where RU army grabs them and sends them as cannon fodder. From the videos I saw they are just pure cannon fodder for UA artillery positions identification.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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Post by wefarrell »

lovellcw wrote: post #38
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #12

Oh, nice, my company is just integrating Okta. Is Cuba still being punished for daring to host Soviet missiles? I think the way we've treated them is really terrible.

Cuba exports terrorism and misery across the region. The dictatorships in Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua fly under the radar these days, but are no less noxious to humanity than the regimes in Russia, Iran, NK, etc. You can argue whether or not sanctions are an effective way to promote regime change, or if they just hurt the regular citizens of rogue governments. I think they are often quite ineffective. But there's…

The US supported and harbored an anti Castro terrorist who among other things blew up a civilian airliner:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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Post by myth_drannon »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #57
myth_drannon wrote: post #9

It's sad that people in occupied regions of Ukraine are punished twice, by Russian government and by US government too.

They had plenty of time to move to whatever they prefer - unoccupied territories of Ukraine or legitimate territories of Russia. As far as I know they traveled both ways routinely but returned voluntarily every time.

People are attached to places they grew up, it's their home. Also poor people don't have much mobility. I remember when the war just started and one of the first shocking videos was of a mother with two sons and a dog shelled basically live stream on CNN. The father went at that time to DNR to help his sick mother. He did it out of his choice but he probably wasn't a separatist.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

#94

Post by itsoktocry »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #53
nickfromseattle wrote: post #49

I run a USA based SaaS and was mistakenly caught up in Auth0's 'sanctions'. 0. Production servers deleted 1. No logs, notifications or any indications of the issues 2. Can't get ahold of support on the free plan 3. Spend 1-2 weeks frantically trying to restore access to our customers 4. Find a random Auth0 support thread of someone who had the same issues 5. Auth0s response was to submit an affadavit to their legal t…

Automated enforcement is evil and must be banned (except in situations when the violations themselves mostly are automated and come in unbearably huge quantities).

>Automated enforcement is evil and must be banned

Aren't the only people able to enforce the banning of automated enforcement, politicians, the very people that want the blocking done in the first place?

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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Post by cpursley »

jhugo wrote: post #74
locallost wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't even need to jump through this many hoops - somebody from Iran can just do it. And maybe they do, but overall I don't think the market is that big. All of these companies operate globally because it's otherwise difficult to make a profit. In other news, setting up businesses that go around US sanctions is not something the US will just wave off. Bullies don't accept their authority questioned.

> And maybe they do, but overall I don't think the market is that big. Before Trump nixed the JCPoA, Iran had a firm order with Boeing for $16.6 billion worth of aircraft, and a firm order with Airbus for $25 billion worth of aircraft. Taken together, that's one of the largest aircraft orders of all time. Iran is not a small market. > In other news, setting up businesses that go around US sanctions is not something t…

Once Russia resolves their supply chain issues and market substitution on sanctioned inputs, Iran will be a big aircraft market for them. It's not widely known, but Russia has several new commercial jet designs in production.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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Post by isbvhodnvemrwvn »

cpursley wrote: post #79

I don't get it. If we're insisting that Crimea, Lugansk and Donetsk are Ukraine and the people are Ukranian, then why block/sanction people there who have no control over the situation?

To make it unattractive to the current occupier.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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Post by arinlen »

thriftwy wrote: post #80
arinlen wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cuba's biggest export is effectively doctors. I find it highly amusing how "exporting people" is suddenly portrayed as being an achievement, as if being exploited as an indentured servant is something praiseworthy in the 21st century. In other contexts this is referred to as human trafficking and exploitation, but being Cuba this is suddenly something to brag about? I lived in a country where the national health se…

> is suddenly portrayed as being an achievement It's not an achievement. It's a sign of how hard the USA-based bullying had come so that a country cannot export goods or services so it has to export people.

> (...) so it has to export people.

It's indentured servitude. It's exploitation that treats the fellow man as nothing more than an exportable good whose role in life is to be abused to cater to the whims of despots.

You cannot deflect the blame of these subhuman practices onto foreign regimes just because you feel a specific oppressive regime that you support could use some extra cash.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #73
antonyh wrote: post #70

My view on this from the United Kingdom: I have no vested interest in any of the territories listed nor do I support them in any way, but my business should not be subject to the whims of overseas powers and foreign policy. In response to this announcement I've closed down my Auth0 experiments. I refuse to be held to US enforcement when I operate outside US jurisdiction. I know other SaaS will follow suit, but we hav…

But isn't Auth0 a US-based company? In that case, they are obliged to implement US sanctions, regardless where their customers are located. That applies of course to any US-based company, so in that case you would need to avoid touching anything that is based in the US. That may be possible in some cases, but if you rely on the third parties, it's almost inevitable to completely avoid US.

> so in that case you would need to avoid touching anything that is based in the US

This does not change much: a, say, French company is bound to follow US regulations anywhere (including in France, not to mention abroad) because the US would punish any interests of this company in the US.

This was the case with Iran, and with others.

If you are mid-to-small compared to the US/China, you are bullied.

If you are very small (like a blog or local newspaper) you may not give a fuck.

Re: Okta and Auth0 Blocking Cuba, Iran, N Korea, Syria, Crimea, Luhansk, Donetsk

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Post by arinlen »

thiagoharry wrote: post #72
arinlen wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes Feel free to start a discussion on US aggression, if you honestly feel strongly about it. Otherwise you're blatantly trying to whitewash decades of systematic oppression from totalitarian bloodthirsty regimes, and in the process support all the human rights violations they're continuously subjecting their population to.

Curious... Soviet union were completely right when criticizing US for lynching black people... But it is interesting how propaganda works... It's like nowadays when you point hypocrisy in the Internet, but people just yell "whataboutism" as a way to always ignore criticism and do not accept responsibility for double standards and hypocrisy in the propaganda that they spread. Of course, this happens only for criticism…

> Curious... Soviet union were completely right when criticizing US for lynching black people...

...except they weren't criticizing. Much like in this case, their intention was to divert the attention on their cruel and inhumane practices by picking any distraction they could find out, with the goal of perpetuating their abuse without being subjected to criticism.

It's the same reason why nowadays you have Putin's regime posting bullshit about how the people of the UK and Germany are somehow suffering from hardship to deflect the attention from the impact that international sanctions is having in it's economy. The target and substance of their attacks is immaterial, and their goal is to divert attention.

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