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Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

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Post by throw_m239339 »

from wrote: post #90
throw_m239339 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do Russian citizens not deserve to make an honest living? Do Ukrainian citizens not deserve a life free of a war of aggression caused by Russia's invasion? Sanctions are mild inconvenience for Russian citizens compared to what Russia's government is imposing to the Ukrainian citizens. Not that I would defend Paypal though, they are a shitty company. Russian citizens can earn an honest living after Russia leaves Ukr…

This kind of thinking is called collective punishment and ordinarily is discussed as a human rights violation.

> This kind of thinking is called collective punishment and ordinarily is discussed as a human rights violation.

Yes, Russia bombing civilians in Ukraine certainly is a human right violation indeed, that's the collective punishment Russia's government is imposing on Ukrainians citizens.

Russia is punishing its own citizens as well they'll have to collectively pay Ukraine back of all the destruction their government caused, for the centuries to come, after Putin is long dead.

Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

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Post by Ekaros »

hulitu wrote: post #77
kweks wrote: post #30

PayPal performed a "freeze and seize" on our account ~12 months ago, netting just over 50k EUR. They then went on a war of attrition, enumerating across distinct companies, shareholders seizing funds across all accounts (including accounts of unrelated companies and personal accounts in Hong Kong and Australia) No information was given. After the 180 days "freeze" period, they announced that the funds would not be re…

PayPal had those kind of problems simce at least 15 years. Why are people still using it ?

Nice to google something like "paypal sucks" and seeing problems of 20 years ago... Which is why I will never accept money there.

Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

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Post by Ekaros »

shswkna wrote: post #5

I am not familiar with Flipper Zero, but I can attest from first hand experience that Paypal does not really care about its customers. I struggled for 3 months to get Paypal to pay out a odd $300 which I received as a refund because I cancelled a newspaper subscription. I am not in the US and had a Paypal account linked only to my credit card. Paypal said that due to financial regulations in my country my Paypal bala…

But wouldn't donating to Paypal charity be paying with it? Thus something not allowed?

Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

#94

Post by snapetom »

vntok wrote: post #59
snapetom wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When your account starts generating income, they place a 'light hold' on the account - requesting 'reasonable' information. So is the strategy to make nightly transfers out of PayPal to a real bank of whatever you took in that day?

Can't transfer out if the account is under hold.

I mean before it's on hold. Keep transferring out. In other words, don't let 1.3 million sit in there.

Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

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Post by FateOfNations »

valdiorn wrote: post #26

Anti money laundering laws forbid banks and facilitators from disclosing the true reason for freezing the account. If PayPal told them they'd literally be breaking federal law. So a money laundering flag seems most plausible given the silence.

That's only if the government instructed them to do it. If PayPal made the decision themselves, it's up to them.

Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

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Post by ergocoder »

COMMENT___ wrote: post #82
ergocoder wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a US sanction. Yes, it would be bad for the employee who makes the decision that this account isn't within the sanction's scope. If US government disagrees, the employee will likely go to jail. It's expected for companies to overdo the sanction considering that under-doing could get employees a long jail time. Plus, Paypal employees get paid the same whether or not Flipper Zero is within the sanction's scope.

Are there any official sanctions that affect non-Russian companies with Russian-born founders and employees?

Sanction is usually a bit vague. What I think happens is that an employee from Russia accessed PayPal dashboard.

What should you do?

If you are an employee, would you risk a jail time for this?

The answer would be a huge no.

Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

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Post by ergocoder »

James_Kirk wrote: post #53
ergocoder wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a US sanction. Yes, it would be bad for the employee who makes the decision that this account isn't within the sanction's scope. If US government disagrees, the employee will likely go to jail. It's expected for companies to overdo the sanction considering that under-doing could get employees a long jail time. Plus, Paypal employees get paid the same whether or not Flipper Zero is within the sanction's scope.

US sanction against what? Against USA company? Do you know how sanctions work? What kind of sanction is being violated in your opinion?

Are these rhetorical or you genuinely don't know?

> What kind of sanction is being violated in your opinion?

You are missing the main point.

What if you are an employee and make a wrong judgement call? The punishment is you going to jail for a long time.

It is safer to overdo the sanction. You don't get paid more either way, and there is no chance of you going to jail.

Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

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Post by from »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #91
from wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This kind of thinking is called collective punishment and ordinarily is discussed as a human rights violation.

> This kind of thinking is called collective punishment and ordinarily is discussed as a human rights violation. Yes, Russia bombing civilians in Ukraine certainly is a human right violation indeed, that's the collective punishment Russia's government is imposing on Ukrainians citizens. Russia is punishing its own citizens as well they'll have to collectively pay Ukraine back of all the destruction their government c…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_wrongs_don%27t_make_a_righ...

Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

#99

Post by polski-g »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #61
goldenchrome wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do Russian citizens not deserve to make an honest living?

> Do Russian citizens not deserve to make an honest living? Do Ukrainian citizens not deserve a life free of a war of aggression caused by Russia's invasion? Sanctions are mild inconvenience for Russian citizens compared to what Russia's government is imposing to the Ukrainian citizens. Not that I would defend Paypal though, they are a shitty company. Russian citizens can earn an honest living after Russia leaves Ukr…

Are all muslims also subject to these sorts of reparations demands (for the killings and destruction of 9/11)?

Re: PayPal blocked Flipper Zero account with $1.3M

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Post by throw_m239339 »

from wrote: post #98
throw_m239339 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This kind of thinking is called collective punishment and ordinarily is discussed as a human rights violation. Yes, Russia bombing civilians in Ukraine certainly is a human right violation indeed, that's the collective punishment Russia's government is imposing on Ukrainians citizens. Russia is punishing its own citizens as well they'll have to collectively pay Ukraine back of all the destruction their government c…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_wrongs_don%27t_make_a_righ...

Sanctions against Russian citizens aren't wrong at first place.
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