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Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by sandworm101 »

epistasis wrote: post #86
sandworm101 wrote: post #84

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More inconvenient facts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Fort_McMurray_wildfire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E_OLgC4nV0 88,000 people in perhaps 50,000 vehicles all taking the ONE road out of town. Some kind companies setup fuel trucks by the roadside to top up tanks. Gas delivery can be scaled up and even made portable in an emergency. Had those 50,000 vehicles all been EVs, tens of thousands of people would…

It seems like cars are the problem here though? If people want to live in remote areas and pollute a ton, that's just fine as long as they pay to clean up the mess they make for everyone else. Direct carbon capture from the air is about $500/ton right now, which is only about $5/gallon of gas.

>> If people want to live in remote areas and pollute a ton

Well... if you want lumber, minerals, metals, petrochemicals and food, then you too will need people living "in remote areas".

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by sidewndr46 »

tapoxi wrote: post #66
RichardCNormos wrote: post #47

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I'm really not sure how my Volkswagen will not let me drive because of something I said on Twitter. Electric utilities are also regulated monopolies, they can't just cut my power without running afoul of a ton of laws. Even in such a ridiculous scenario, you can make your own electricity. You can't make your own gasoline.

It was quite a while ago, but there was an airline that refused to allow a passenger to board until they deleted a negative tweet.

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Post by chrisco255 »

guidedlight wrote: post #8

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

Unless they improve the recharge speed or dramatically improve thr power density, we're gonna have ICEs for a long time. Electric vehicles are not good in cold weather, they so far have not proven themselves to be capable of long haul towing (battery life drops off precipitously while towing), there is not enough charging ports or parking spots for hundreds of millions of cars to recharge, emergency vehicles cannot depend on EV (you can't wait for an ambulance to recharge for 45 minutes). Also, power grid constraints. California recently asked electric car owners to not charge at certain times of the day. This, in spite of the fact that electric cars are still in single digit percentages of ownership. This is unacceptable and it's very clear the grid is not ready to support it.

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Post by epistasis »

peyton wrote: post #79
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #40

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> Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house. Not sure if you're just talking about something specific to your house, or making a broader point. Once EVs are widespread, they can add a huge amount of storage capacity to the grid. Not hard to imagine utility and government incentives that encourage c…

It’s actually pretty difficult to imagine round trip AC to DC to AC in people’s garages being competitive price-wise but who knows? Maybe in colder climates where cooling is less of an issue.

It's all about the delta of low-cost to high-cost electricity. Most utilities are introducing time of use plans that expose customers to prices closer to the wholesale markets.

A few kWh from the middle of the charge range has about zero cost to battery life, and the owner has to pay the carrying costs of a car anyway, so their costs will be less than the cost of dedicated grid storage for those few kWh.

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Post by renewiltord »

endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

Maybe the Smart EQ Fortwo? Hard to get in the US and out of your price point, but if you're more interested in the vehicle than the price.

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Post by stevenwoo »

brnt wrote: post #73
JKCalhoun wrote: post #67

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Do people have "garages" and yearly checkups? Maybe it's a European thing? In the U.S. we have Jiffy Lube and the "checkup" is just another way for them to squeeze the customer for cash. We are so distrustful of auto mechanics in general that, no, I don't think most of us go looking for a yearly fleecing, ha ha (not funny, really).

It's mandatory here in Europe, if you care about being road-legal.

It depends on the state one lives in the USA. For instance in Texas, a garage inspects your vehicle once a year on basic functionality for it to qualify for a sticker one puts on the windshield (automatic ticket if law enforcement stops you with one out of date). In California, one has to get a smog inspection every so often to qualify for the sticker on the license plate to indicate one has paid one's vehicle tax for the year (automatic ticket if stopped by law enforcement with expired sticker).

Re: EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted

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Post by sandworm101 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #90
sandworm101 wrote: post #78

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I'm not convinced. The "smart grid" has been discussed for over a decade. Would anyone here allow their Tesla to discharge when parked, allow it to feed power back into the grid? What if those extra charge/discharge cycles decreases the battery's life expectancy? The small bonus payments (pennies) just won't cut it imho. People will charge their cars and keep them charged.

> Would anyone here allow their Tesla to discharge when parked, allow it to feed power back into the grid? I absolutely would, in fact it's a major reason I am not getting a Tesla and am instead opting for an EV that emphasizes its vehicle-to-home power capabilities (e.g. F150 Lightning and Lucid). I also know a ton of other Texans who feel the same way I do given our (deserved) lack of faith in our electric grid. Al…

But why involve your car? The logical thing to do is install a large lead-acid battery pack for the house, one which is dirt-cheap and won't suffer being charged/discharged. Lead acid batteries of a capacity equivalent to a Tesla can be had for a few hundred dollars. Lead-acids are also infinitely recyclable and don't involve the nasty/complex chemicals of lithiums. The ideal system would be to slowly charge the massive house battery whenever power is cheap, then dump it into charging the Tesla without drawing from the grid.

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Post by jread »

jnwatson wrote: post #54
guidedlight wrote: post #8

Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate. Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030. https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

I had the misfortune of renting a Tesla right before a severe cold snap in Virginia. I was charging at 4 miles an hour at the public charging station. I’m not sure I would buy an EV in an area where it stays below freezing for weeks at a time.

Sounds like an L1 or malfunctioning L2. I’d never revert to ICE in cold weather climates. Handling is great and ability to preheat (without idling) is a wonderful convenience on cold mornings.

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Post by epistasis »

sandworm101 wrote: post #91
epistasis wrote: post #86

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It seems like cars are the problem here though? If people want to live in remote areas and pollute a ton, that's just fine as long as they pay to clean up the mess they make for everyone else. Direct carbon capture from the air is about $500/ton right now, which is only about $5/gallon of gas.

>> If people want to live in remote areas and pollute a ton Well... if you want lumber, minerals, metals, petrochemicals and food, then you too will need people living "in remote areas".

Seems fine as long as they pay to clean up their mess, which means that their costs will be higher which they pass on.
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