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Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

mschuster91 wrote: post #45
yodelshady wrote: post #25

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Also Germany: repoens , I believe approx. 8 GW, coal plants. https://www.forbes.com/sites/juliecoleman/2022/07/08/germany... I'm sorry, but this is hearfelt: the German greens are climate criminals . And they were fully warned of exactly this situation decades ago, so no, they have zero "circumstances forced our hand" defence. You knew , and you chose to burn coal anyway .

> I'm sorry, but this is hearfelt: the German greens are climate criminals. And they were fully warned of exactly this situation decades ago, so no, they have zero "circumstances forced our hand" defence. The Greens have not been in government for the last sixteen years . It was the conservative governments under Merkel and particularly the environment and later economy minister Altmaier who openly celebrated reducin…

"look at France just how catastrophic nuclear power actually is"

I assume you are referring to power plants that has to shut down due to low water levels?

If the powerplant is designed with a source of eater in mind, it will have tp shut down when the water is gone. It does not matter if the plant is oil, coal or nuclear.

Plenty of nuclear powerplants use seawater for cooling, and none of them had to shutdown.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by moffkalast »

morsch wrote: post #69
phartenfeller wrote: post #32

Here in Germany, there was recently a leak in the news. It said that a single LED sign consumes as much energy as 10 single households[0]. Of course, the companies don't want to give any official information. That is pretty high for no real value for society in my opinion... [0] https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/technologie/led-reklame...

Average power usage for a 1 person household in Germany is 1300 kwh/year (roughly, numbers vary, but not to a degree that it matters). That's about 150W sustained. So 1500W for a large sign, that's like 150 high power LED light bulbs, I guess that checks out. Anything that reduces ads in the public sphere is fine by me.

Everyone lauds LEDs for being super energy efficient, but the reality is that they really aren't. It's just that they are being compared to even worse light sources that were so bad at efficiency it's hard to really grasp how much they sucked.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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themoonisachees wrote: post #27

> This means out-of-home advertising displays at bus stops, train stations and in underpasses could still be operated according to invidis managing director Florian Rotberg. “Most contracts explicitly require outdoor advertising companies to operate backlit city light posters and screens well into the night to provide passengers with more security in the waiting area. Autumn will show whether and how the exemptions w…

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Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by fzfaa »

malermeister wrote: post #83
fzfaa wrote: post #73

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Because it's done in the name of energy savings and the only reason that we all have to save energy is so the political elites of the West can play Risk against Russia.

We have to save energy to soften the blow of the climate catastrophe. The Russian imperialist aggression is just an additional selling point.

Saving energy means stopping growth. The West stopping growth while China, India, etc. grow uncontrollably because they don't give a crap about the stupid climate plight will be our downfall.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by megous »

peaslock wrote: post #44
martin_a wrote: post #38

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> How much electricity can plausibly be saved this way? About third of what was used before. > And how does that compare to the energy required to reprogram and possibly renew all these signs? That's cost of doing business and a one-time thing.

> About third of what was used before. How much is that as a fraction of the total electricity consumption?

Savings start with all non-essential things first.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by yourusername »

soco wrote: post #67
Broken_Hippo wrote: post #36

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It isn't the ads, really: They are realistically speaking of lighting in bus stops, underpasses, and train stations. Lighting in those areas, which tend to be dark or populated, helps folks feel safer. Taking away the ads makes these places darker, and I can understand not suddenly having nervous folks not take the bus or train. Though, I agree: They can get bent about the contracts. The proper response is to install…

So basically the authorities outsourced a part of public safety to the ad companies?

It goes further than that. They outsourced public transportation to private companies and those private companies outsourced the busstops to ad companies. At least here the bus shelters are owned by ad companies.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by hnbad »

tpmx wrote: post #64
adrianN wrote: post #47

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No, but you can power something like 70% of a country with wind power alone. Add in some solar and a few hours worth of storage and you can go 90+%. Add a few days of storage and you reach two nines. A few weeks for more nines.

"Add a few days of storage" This is very non-trivial and will take decades longer than building nuclear power.

The best time to build storage would have been fifty years ago. The next best time is now.

We need power supply now, yes, but we will still need storage decades from now. So building them now is vital. Yet we aren't doing that. That's a problem.

We literally have no time left, yet at the current course we'll be in the same situation in 2030 or 2050 as we are today and we'll keep making the same excuses.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by yrro »

neolithicum wrote: post #39
yrro wrote: post #14

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At first I loved LED street lights because I could see so much better by them (and I presume that they have an increased deterrent effect on crime though I have not checked this). These days I think disrupting wildlife is more important than human safety and I wish we could get rid of nearly all street lighting.

Really? You think protecting wildlife is more important than human life? Also, less light might increase the frequency of road kills.

Yes, yes I do. We're doing incalculable damage to animal life (e.g., disrupting birds and insects which are essential pollinators for plants). This is but one facet of the crisis that our species has inflicted upon the planet.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by freilanzer »

lm28469 wrote: post #65
malermeister wrote: post #53

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And they can go fuck off if they don't. We're in a crisis and they want to waste energy we might need for heating households to manipulate people into buying shit they don't need? That's not exactly a position that'll get them a lot of sympathy.

> to manipulate people into buying shit they don't need? This is encouraged by our system, switching off screens at night won't change it. Attack the root cause not the very last symptom

Why not both? Energy can be saved here that is needlessly wasted.
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