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EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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I’ve had EPB for about 3 years now (since I moved to Chattanooga).

It’s fantastic. Every once in a while someone will post in the local Facebook group asking which ISP they should go with. It turns into pages and pages of EPB!, EPB!, EPB!

Mixed with comments about how much better it is than Comcast. Not only is the service better and cheaper, customer service is much much better.

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post #59

I think things like this are great because they will finally start to create pressure to commodify >1gbps networking in the home. The industry has some work to do here. I've been on Sonic 10G for almost a year now and LOVE it, but it's definitely been a sore spot to get things set up to expect those kinds of speeds - prosumer 10G switches are vastly more expensive per-port, wired consumer devices don't typically supp…

10GBaseT is the wrong solution, period. As you've found out it runs hot (somehow I doubt all the fanless consumer trinkets are going to last very long). Not that Ubiquiti is a good example – even with their 1G kit they had issues with thermal management. Both the ER-X and ER-L ran hot enough to cook themselves (especially the early ones with the tiny SD cards). True to form my ER-Xs get flakey when it gets slightly warm. Fiber is the way forward and hopefully getting multi-gig connections to the home will start to bring the pricing on some of that kit down to reasonable levels.

FWIW I've also got Sonic's 10G offering and yeah it works well enough. Something is causing intermittent problems that I've not had with their ADSL or 1G fiber offerings – I'm starting to suspect the 1G TP-Link switch they tossed in. For now I just live with the periodic interruptions.

Edit: Certainly I'm not planning to upgrade any of my gear to 10G as I simply don't need the bandwidth and Sonic's offerings are really geared towards web browsing more than anything.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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I don't really see the point - impressed that they offered it, but how many people truly need it? I have 1G symmetric FTTH internet, the bottleneck is still the services I want to access at the other end - really makes no difference how much faster the pipe is, if the service you are using can't keep up. Will some people benefit?? sure - a handful of power users doing massive uploads and downloads for commercial purp…

At this point it's not so much about normal usage as the outliers.

For instance work from home got more popular. Say you have to transfer disk images. It's a lot more pleasant to transfer a couple TB at 25 Gb. You probably won't need that every day, but when you do need it, it's very nice not to have to wait hours or days for it to get through.

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#95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me tell you the story of CA attempting to build high speed rail..

Why would a story about building high speed rail be relevant to installing fiber adjacent to existing utilities?

Because the power poles aren't owned by the cities, and the owners prevent other companies from getting access:

https://www.dwt.com/blogs/broadband-advisor/2015/03/googles-...

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

#96
post #52

Cool, but try to get 25Gbps on your mac. It's tough. We have our own 10 gig symmetrical fiber backbone connection and wanted 25Gbps on a mac in our film production facility. Thunderbolt maxes out at 40Gbps so you're already close to the max data transfer rate for a peripheral. We had to use ATTO's hardware which is bulky, a pain to configure on a macbook (you need to bond two interfaces) and honestly most of the time…

>USB-C maxes out at 10 Gbps Lower. I've got a 5gbps usb-c adapter...ends up being more like 3.5. And like 4x the price of a 2.5 dongle

What you need to keep in mind is that a lot of USB-C Ethernet adapters run over the USB3 lines - USB has a lot of CPU overhead which becomes visible at those speeds.

USB-C, with the right cable, connector and machine, can support Thunderbolt which is PCI-Express. If you go for a Thunderbolt adapter (and not a USB-based one, as above), you will get around this problem. You can also get one of those external GPU cases and put a desktop-grade PCIe network card in there and it should work provided your computer has the drivers for it (for Mac, I'd suggest trying an Intel card and hoping for the best).

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with municipal Internet is the town will build it out once, and then never upgrade the technology while it slowly becomes obsolete . Seriously though, municipal fiber is fantastic. I've been an observer to friends having conversations about Internet provider woes, while I just sit there shaking my head. I've only got 1Gb but I rarely care about the bandwidth, consistent <15ms ping to close data centers, t…

The OP story is literally the municipal provider delivering 25x faster service over 12 years. The "never upgrade the technology" provider is usually going to be monopoly Comcast, because they know your other option is a can and string.

The little "" indicates sarcasm. Sometimes people also just type "/s".

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

#98

Chattanooga Tennessee, for those curious but not curious enough to read the article. I'm intrigued by the city's push for this community co-op high speed internet - does anyone here have any experience with how the city has changed before/after the "gig-city" push? And did pandemic work from home change/accelerate things at all?

It started out to build a smart power grid, and I can say it did that pretty well. The network was able to automatically re-routr power to decrease outages substantially during storms without requiring crews to fix it. Most people I know converted pretty quickly to EPB from Comcast, but apartments and HOAs still make contracts for exclusive Comcast wiring, even brand new HOAs that are being built. My understanding is…

EPB ran about 25 Ethernet drops throughout my new house for free.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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post #9

Wow this reads like an announcement from a different timeline (like the one that was promised when fiber was promoted in the early 2000s). 25Gb/s symmetric? In the middle of Tennessee? Meanwhile I have traffic-shaped Comcast and no fiber in sight in Silicon Valley.

Chattanooga is actually almost in Georgia, and not too far from Atlanta.

But yeah, it just goes to show that with the right opportunity and motivation, you can really do some cool things in places you wouldn't expect. I used to work remotely for a company in Chattanooga, and I was always blown away by the internet speeds whenever I visited the HQ. I remember downloading a 300mb file in 10s, in 2015. The story behind how it all came to happen is quite cool too.

Re: EPB launches America’s first community-wide 25 gig internet service

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the maximum, right? I would imagine they have plans from sub-gigabit up to 25G. I know I'd absolutely love the option of 10G for a reasonable price (thousand(s)?). Heck, I'd be overjoyed to get symmetrical 100 Mbps, and I'd gladly pay a few hundred for it. Meanwhile my Dad has 500/500 AT&T Fiber, and he pays half what I pay for 930/35 Charter Spectrum cable :(

I have 10Gb symmetrical to the home in the Bay Area for ~$40/mo. Thousands? Really?

I'm just judging by my current ISP options... Spectrum and AT&T. Scaling up the price it's be at least $1k/month for 10G.

I wish I lived in whatever dream land has actual first-world internet access :)

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