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Tesla promised Level 5 autonomy in all conditions by 2020. People paid a lot of money based on that promise.
Yeah, the timeline was over-promised. That's a different issue.
That is quite substantial inflation correction. Is Tesla struggling for money or can the finally deliver fully working product?
Musk once argued that once full self-driving works, it would be more profitable for Tesla to use these cars for an own taxi service than it would be to sell them to customers. They plan to raise the price even more the closer they (claim to) get to their goal.
Paid 7k for mine, I enjoy it. When I buy my next Tesla wouldn’t pay for it though. The thing that would make it worth buying at this price is when I can send the car 200 miles away to like go pick up my parents or something. Anything short of not being in the car though is just a party trick.
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If phantom braking is reproducible, ie it happens at the same place and time(because sun angle) you should report it to Tesla. Or post a YouTube and link on Twitter. In 15k miles of mostly autopilot, I have had phantom brake happen once or twice. I’m in the Bay Area. It happened when it couldn’t tell wether the shadow of over cross bridge from a physical object. What is your experience?
>It happened when it couldn’t tell wether the shadow of over cross bridge from a physical object. Who could have predicted that just relying just on cameras was not a good solution ? Definitely not the hundreds of researchers that told Musk that a LIDAR was necessary.
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Rent it for a few days and you will see
Renting a tesla for a few days will cost more than I paid for my current car. Admittedly it's 22 years old, but it still does what I need.
I recently rented a 2022 Model 3 from Hertz for 9 days. It didn't have the FSD option available, but it did have the preview of what the system would see. Based on that alone, I was alternately impressed and terrified of what the FSD experience would be like. It was mostly accurate in showing other vehicles, but some of their trajectories when turning in front of me looked like a really bad video game with weird orie…
Autopilot has basically been shelved for the past 2 years as they've been working on FSD, which will replace the current AP stack. Go have a look on Youtube, there are thousands of videos where you can see the visualizations, it's night and day. To save you the click, here's one released today with the latest version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCTssX2VdKA
I was a little concerned with how fast the car was going on Lombard when the pedestrian darted across. It worked out ok, but if the person had tripped, or dropped something and stopped to pick it up, it would have been harder to stop.
I skimmed through the whole video, but I didn't see any traffic light recognition of anything more than red, amber, green. Are there videos with more complex traffic lights? It's interesting that they managed to drive in that area without going through any of the weird intersections with cable car or Muni traffic lights.
Is the autopilot preview meant to help sell FSD?
I recently rented a 2022 Model 3 from Hertz for 9 days. It didn't have the FSD option available, but it did have the preview of what the system would see. Based on that alone, I was alternately impressed and terrified of what the FSD experience would be like. It was mostly accurate in showing other vehicles, but some of their trajectories when turning in front of me looked like a really bad video game with weird orie…
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Renting a tesla for a few days will cost more than I paid for my current car. Admittedly it's 22 years old, but it still does what I need.
Yeah, can’t argue against that. Tesla may not be for everyone, but it’s a damn fine commuter car just because of autopilot.
But I'm also perfectly happy driving my decades old Honda so what do I know.
It's shocking to me that anyone would pay for this. Tesla has been selling fsd since 2014, and nearly a decade later they aren't that much closer. Between the low reliability, low build quality, and scammy practices, Tesla has turned their lead into a vulnerability. Once other manufacturers catch up to the battery range, Tesla will have their lunch eaten. And I say this as someone who has owned a Tesla for over 8 yea…
It would seem the market (and more current engineering and design reviews) disagrees with you!
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Does it work in rain, snow, and/or night? How about country roads and roads without clearly marked lanes or misleading lane lines? It's like hiring a plumber who can only flush toilets, not install them. Self driving in pristine conditions is a party trick. Until it can do the hard part, it's nowhere near human-level.
FSD handles those situations well, compared to Waymo etc, because FSD doesn't depend on pre-mapping. Waymo depends on pre-generated 3D maps and it fails if there's a discrepancy. That's why Waymo works only on small areas and uses cherry-picked routes. See this example, where the map data is completely wrong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gTV9SlutU0
Does it actually work in the real world is the yardstick to apply.