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A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by threeseed »

HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #31
mike_hock wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to fascism. A private company is the de-facto judge, jury and executioner because it owns half the infrastructure you live your life on.

And you can’t even escape these companies by moving to another country. They have their tendrils everywhere, except in places that consciously prevent them - which is usually done by even worse tyrannies like China/Russia. Always makes me laugh when I see employees of Google, Amazon etc. claiming to be “anti-fascist” and “standing in solidarity with the common man” etc etc…

> And you can’t even escape these companies

So you are forced to use an iPhone or Pixel phone, forced to search with Google, forced to use AWS.

Even though open alternatives exist for all these who would love your support.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by blueflow »

leereeves wrote: post #76
blueflow wrote: post #39

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You still have the choice to not use any of their services. You can get pretty far in life despite not using the internet at all.

How would you (for example) apply for a job without the Internet?

Postal? Or deliver the envelope in-person to their box when they are nearby.

I learned it like this, its since recently that applying by email more commonly an option.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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peoplefromibiza wrote: post #78
mulmen wrote: post #41

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You are very naïve. In a recent comment thread I noted that my father’s generation went from fighting a bitter war with Vietnam to Apple building MacBooks there. My grandfather landed on D-Day and drove Volkswagen Beetles for most of his life. None of us know what will happen in the future. China could become a close ally. They’re already an existential economic partner. The only path to real privacy is personal sove…

> You are very naïve. I am your of the same generation of your father... My grandfather was already 40 years old when D-Day landed. > None of us know what will happen in the future It's safe to assume that it doesn't matter. You could die tomorrow, so why are you worrying? > If you don’t control the data it is public Unless the network is firewalled by Chinese government... Safety is not about paranoia, but about lay…

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Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by contingencies »

jacknews wrote: post #72
gpt5 wrote: post #28

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This is fine as long as you don’t plan to travel to China in the future.

Or to any China-aligned or vassal states, they don't need to bother with complex extradition procedures, they just ask the government 'nicely'. eg https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cambodia-china-uighurs-id...

IIRC both Cambodia (2012) and Thailand (2014) extradited TPB founders. Thailand case was already convicted for "aiding copyright infringement" (ie. pissing off a cabal of private companies) and had skipped bail, nabbed crossing inbound from Laos. Cambodia case was unconvicted and the countries had no extradition treaty, but they nabbed him anyway. Possibly because of alleged Wikileaks affiliation. Democracy in action.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by Dobbs »

mike_hock wrote: post #20
soraminazuki wrote: post #15

> A Google spokeswoman said the company stands by its decisions, even though law enforcement cleared the two men. Wow. Just wow. This is worse than the usual Google's automated screw-ups. In this case, Google was notified of the issue by the NYT. Yet they actively chose to continue to screw over their victims just because they can. > In a statement, Google said, “Child sexual abuse material is abhorrent and we’re com…

Welcome to fascism. A private company is the de-facto judge, jury and executioner because it owns half the infrastructure you live your life on.

This is at best authoritarianism or corportatism not fascism. There is no ultranationalism, there is no "othering", there is no enforced hierarchy of individuals.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by pxmpxm »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #82
mulmen wrote: post #29

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Puritans. We “banned” alcohol for 13 years. America’s greatest battle is with our dark religious past. We claim to be secular but really it’s an aspiration.

I'm an atheist, and I intensely disagree with the sexualisation of everything in our society dressed as a new sexual revolution, and see it as a direct effect of capitalism. What say you

I think you'll have to expand a bit on that.

1)Government makes companies liable for hosted third party content

2)Companies set up workflows to detect said content

3)???

4)Blame capitalism

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by prox »

deepdriver wrote: post #51
mike_hock wrote: post #20

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Welcome to fascism. A private company is the de-facto judge, jury and executioner because it owns half the infrastructure you live your life on.

"The word fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signals 'something not desirable.'" --George Orwell

Yeah also think the word/concept fascism doesn’t fit here. While it is obviously oppressive or unjust, it is a company, so what would be a better fit?

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by dessant »

blueflow wrote: post #39
HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you can’t even escape these companies by moving to another country. They have their tendrils everywhere, except in places that consciously prevent them - which is usually done by even worse tyrannies like China/Russia. Always makes me laugh when I see employees of Google, Amazon etc. claiming to be “anti-fascist” and “standing in solidarity with the common man” etc etc…

You still have the choice to not use any of their services. You can get pretty far in life despite not using the internet at all.

In some cases Google can only be avoided at a potentially life altering personal cost. Consider how many government services use reCAPTCHA, and what it means to have no access or delayed access to these services.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by threeseed »

hosteur wrote: post #57
blueflow wrote: post #39

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You still have the choice to not use any of their services. You can get pretty far in life despite not using the internet at all.

Well not in all countries. In my country you are required to receive electronic messages from the government as well as to have a government issued ID and authentication system that forces you to have a fairly recent smartphone. For now, it is theoretically possible to use the authentication system without a smartphone but you will have to jump through an awful amount of (artificially imposed) hoops. Not having an in…

I find this incredibly hard to believe.

Governments have accessibility obligations and so their key services should absolutely be usable with something like Chromium/Linux. And it definitely shouldn't be more onerous than using a smartphone.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by christophilus »

Gatsky wrote: post #66
soraminazuki wrote: post #15

> A Google spokeswoman said the company stands by its decisions, even though law enforcement cleared the two men. Wow. Just wow. This is worse than the usual Google's automated screw-ups. In this case, Google was notified of the issue by the NYT. Yet they actively chose to continue to screw over their victims just because they can. > In a statement, Google said, “Child sexual abuse material is abhorrent and we’re com…

What do you think is the ratio of innocent to nefarious pictures of naked children Google encounters in aggregate? This is relevant to how outraged one should be by this story. I think it is probably > 1:100000. As such, probably not much outrage is warranted, although it’s obviously not great for this one guy.

I’d put pretty good money on almost every family having pictures of their naked kids doing some shenanigans. I know I have those pictures. My parents have those pictures of me and my sister. Quite a few, as I seemed to enjoy trying to run about naked…

Bill Waterson somehow managed to sneak watercolor paintings of a naked little boy into every major newspaper under the guise of being a “comic strip”— the perv.

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