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How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by Volundr »

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #78
jedberg wrote: post #72

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> The Fentanyl crisis is absolutely a story It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. > 2.1 million illegal immigrants projected this year (hundreds of thousands already) is a hell of a story You do realize that's encounters? Meaning enforcement is up. The number of people coming over isn't changing, just how many are getting caught.

>It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. False. Here's the new information: >The 1,286 overdose deaths reported to MDH last year represented a 22% increase from the 2020 total. https://www.health.state.mn.us/news/pressrel/2022/drugod0714... The rate is increasing. That's the story. >You do realize that's encounters? Meaning enforcement is up. The number of people coming over isn't cha…

CNN has covered it fentanyl deaths increasing increasing.

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-r...

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

ajross wrote: post #86
NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #68

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CNN has absolutely covered immigration issues and fentanyl overdoses. They didn't cover those subjects this week , because they had more important breaking news on the TV (like an unprecedented FBI raid on a former president) and those subjects had no new information to report. That doesn't seem relevant to you? Effectively FOX was covering that stuff because it needed filler material to suppress the stories it didn'…

Which stories did Fox not run?

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

Volundr wrote: post #90
xboxnolifes wrote: post #85

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> > The Fentanyl crisis is absolutely a story It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. > It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. Even if there isn't new information, it's worth repeating yearly for the simple reason that every year younger people get older and start paying more attention to news. Imagine being 18 and hearing about something for the firs…

We'll it looks like CNN covered it in may in a dedicated article [1], as well as mentioning it in a number of other articles about related things, such as fentanyl drug busts. So they may not be covering it weekly or daily, but it's not like it's going 5 years between mentions. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-r...

So it's clearly a story...

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by NaturalPhallacy »

Volundr wrote: post #91
NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's the same story for the last few years. There is no new information. False. Here's the new information: >The 1,286 overdose deaths reported to MDH last year represented a 22% increase from the 2020 total. https://www.health.state.mn.us/news/pressrel/2022/drugod0714... The rate is increasing. That's the story. >You do realize that's encounters? Meaning enforcement is up. The number of people coming over isn't cha…

CNN has covered it fentanyl deaths increasing increasing. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-r...

So it's a story then? People in this thread are arguing that it isn't.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by ajross »

amscanne wrote: post #34
ajross wrote: post #4

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The point is more that Fox will routinely elevate issues that aren't really "news" in a traditional sense to major "stories", either to fill time[1] or to make a partisan argument. The IRS funding is a great example here. The IRA bill indeed increases funding for the Internal Revenue Service by something like 30%. This would be reasonable content to include in a print article, say, of the kind of bureaucratic funding…

Increasing funding for enforcement for the IRS is something that I personally feel is a good thing, but I think it’s fair to cover it in light of the fact that it seems to be colored by politics, like so much else. Why on earth would the Democrats pronounce that it won’t be used to audit anywhere earning less than $400k? As an extension of the anti-rich rhetoric, it’s no longer a simple “bureaucratic funding decision…

I keep bouncing around on how to respond to this. But really you have this exactly backwards: you think we should pay more attention to a subject (i.e. dedicate our limited "news" bandwidth to understanding it) because political actors want us to think it's important.

And, no, I think that's exactly backwards. The fact that one side is predicting tax armageddon and the other is explaining that it only soaks the rich is an easy cue that this is not a subject with any real truth to it, because if there were then there would be simple answers and not spin. And there is a simple answer, and it's that "The IRS got a moderate funding bump in this bill". And that simple answer is all I need.

And it's all you should need too. The only people who want more coverage of the subject are the ones trying to change your mind about it (or reinforce your priors). And those are the people you should be listening to the least.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by mikkergp »

HPsquared wrote: post #2

Not to accuse the author of bias, but surely are there must have been some topics covered by CNN that Fox didn't?

1. They only covered a week.

2. I think the notion of "X didn't cover something" is heavily biased, maybe not in this case where they're looking at data, but I have a very news-angry friend who sends me stuff like that all the time like 15 minutes after I read about it on the NYTimes. Maybe it's not on the front page, maybe it's not "what people are talking about" but it's often there, but people want other people not just to cover it but for it to have an impact and for people to be mad about it. Lab leak is a great example I think of something everyone is made that "never got covered" but of course it got covered. At different times, to different degrees, with different angles and emphasis, but just search google for "lab leak NYTimes" and it's there all over the place. Is it as in-depth as people want it to be? Probably not, and that's where you get into conspiracy realm, because there's no actual data to follow as to why, just speculation.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by trasz »

kenjackson wrote: post #61
trasz wrote: post #31

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The “baseline” was established by ignoring points of view that didn’t align with the ruling class. It’s still largely the case, for example crime stories are popular, except for crimes committed by law enforcement, which - in some cases, like theft - is actually the majority of all cases in US, just not reported that way.

Now we have a world where there is no baseline to even start a discussion. Depending on your perspective, either crime is worse than ever before and the criminal are running crazy. Or the only criminals are the system and those in power. You can literally find non-trivial populations in the US who believe that we need to build more prisons and others who think we need to free all prisoners. There's no place to even s…

Again, this was always the case. It’s just that most of us never noticed it, because the opposing views were hard to find.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by jollybean »

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #73
jollybean wrote: post #64

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First - your assessment of 'omitted by CNN' isn't quite right. "yet there was nothing that CNN covered that Fox ignored. " - this is wrong. There is at any given time, thousands of 'stories' to cover. Almost by definition CNN will have covered something else that Fox didn't. All of the stories they covered are not on that chart. ... There's one level scarier and that's when neither/none of them cover something. In pa…

>There's one level scarier and that's when neither/none of them cover something.* Completely agree. > In particular, the issue of possible lab leak and US institutional involvement in research over in China. I read the Fauci emails. The person who brought it up made it perfectly clear she thought there was an unnatural segment of DNA in the virus. Yet people were silenced in the beginning for even suggesting the poss…

It was not about 'biological weapons' just slightly dangerous pandemic research.

The issue is not so much the hyper details but the ultimate confusion that arrives from the weird web of interwoven relationships, differing levels of complacency, lack of transparency, corruption in some cases ... without really a proper target to point a finger at (except the Chinese government, it's a clear problem there).

It's an intriguing situation really. The 'truth' is not some Scooby Doo 'reveal' but a messy confluence of issues that circle right back to our own institutions and credibility. The populist rage makers could do almost anything they want with it.

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by mikkergp »

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #68
jedberg wrote: post #51

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It should be noted that the four stories that CNN didn't cover aren't actually real stories, but are bordering on conspiracy theories.

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CNN covering fentanyl this year: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/18/health/fentanyl-fatal-overdos... https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/16/health/overdose-deaths-record... https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/12/health/teen-overdose-deaths-w... https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-r...

CNN Covering Immigration this year: https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/03/politics/nearly-6000-daily-bo... https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/25/politics/border-surge-immigra... https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/06/us/texas-immigrants-charter-b... https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/22/politics/ice-immigrants-id-ca... https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/29/politics/muriel-bowser-migran...

Re: How does Fox vs. CNN compare in topic/event coverage over the last week?

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Post by mikkergp »

NaturalPhallacy wrote: post #93
Volundr wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We'll it looks like CNN covered it in may in a dedicated article [1], as well as mentioning it in a number of other articles about related things, such as fentanyl drug busts. So they may not be covering it weekly or daily, but it's not like it's going 5 years between mentions. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-r...

So it's clearly a story...

No one is saying it's not a story, they're saying an increased quantity of coverage by an outlet above a certain baseline is not done for the purposes of informing the public, it's done for an emotional response.
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