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Sounds like you're only thinking of luxury item shops that can afford all that...
Obviously not the same thing, but Simplisafe offers most of that for like $500. A pair of cheap cameras is less than $80.
Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Obviously not the same thing, but Simplisafe offers most of that for like $500. A pair of cheap cameras is less than $80.
And we're talking about Spain not the US. Bit of an income difference.
I know. I'm from Spain myself, worked several jobs there.
I could cover a whole cafe with cameras for less than the cost of your average cash register, which, if I remember correctly, in 2008 was about 150 euro. Even convenience stores have cameras nowadays. I don't see the issue here.
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> Personally, it sounds like the stupidest hill to die on. Lit showcases are an anti theft measure too...
How so? I mean, in a world where alarm systems usually include vibration and glass break detectors, cameras with night vision, and redundant phones for early alerts, do we really need showcases to be lit all night long?
You're thinking like a rich technologist. You're also assuming a pretty fast police response. What good does that stuff do if the police don't respond and thief or vandal wears a mask?
People feel more comfortable doing wrong when they're hidden in the dark. Keeping the lights on will deter a lot of people. A lot of gizmos no one will notice will not deter anyone.
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I saw a video about Hong Kong where colder shopping malls are considered more upscale. Waste is a Veblen good in that context, I guess.
I think we might have seen the same video. It happens in other places in Asia as well, not only Hong Kong. It's quite uncomfortable to go from ~34C and 98% humidity, to an environment at ~20C and less than 50% humidity. I'm surprised people don't get more respiratory illnesses more often.
It's a waste for the acclimatized locals.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
How so? I mean, in a world where alarm systems usually include vibration and glass break detectors, cameras with night vision, and redundant phones for early alerts, do we really need showcases to be lit all night long?
> I mean, in a world where alarm systems usually include vibration and glass break detectors, cameras with night vision, and redundant phones for early alerts, do we really need showcases to be lit all night long? You're thinking like a rich technologist. You're also assuming a pretty fast police response. What good does that stuff do if the police don't respond and thief or vandal wears a mask? People feel more comf…
Currently, basic cameras and alarm systems are very affordable, more so than most of the staple devices in any given shop, e.g. cash registers. And if we are talking about actual deterrents, then they should be looking at steel window grills.
But let's assume that it is true that keeping a store lit is a deterrent, then why wouldn't they put up cheap, motion activated lamps, around the store?
Point is, businesses need to keep up with the times. Just stating that lightning keeps thieves away is not going to cut it.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I mean, in a world where alarm systems usually include vibration and glass break detectors, cameras with night vision, and redundant phones for early alerts, do we really need showcases to be lit all night long? You're thinking like a rich technologist. You're also assuming a pretty fast police response. What good does that stuff do if the police don't respond and thief or vandal wears a mask? People feel more comf…
I don't think I understand what you are trying to say here. Currently, basic cameras and alarm systems are very affordable, more so than most of the staple devices in any given shop, e.g. cash registers. And if we are talking about actual deterrents, then they should be looking at steel window grills. But let's assume that it is true that keeping a store lit is a deterrent , then why wouldn't they put up cheap, motio…
You're making the error of focusing too much on technological gizmos as "solutions."
> Point is, businesses need to keep up with the times. Just stating that lightning keeps thieves away is not going to cut it.
The context here is banning the lighting.
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#97I've never understood why (in some countries) public places are so cooled down in the summer and so heated up in the winter. In Japan, in the summer they put the ACs to what feels like 16ºC, so whenever you go from outdoor (very hot and humid) to indoor, you feel like you'll freeze (because you're dressed for 30ºC). In the winter, they put the ACs to 25ºC, so you move from outdoor to indoor, it's extremely hot and st…
Myself and many others seem to find 21c too cold in winter and too hot in summer in some buildings. I think it's possibly due to radiant temperature: for example, the walls/roof/floor are hotter in summer so you need to cool the air down more to make up for that. That said, Japan and some other places (Singapore!) take it to the extreme, and in a modern well insulated building, this is much less needed than it used t…
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think I understand what you are trying to say here. Currently, basic cameras and alarm systems are very affordable, more so than most of the staple devices in any given shop, e.g. cash registers. And if we are talking about actual deterrents, then they should be looking at steel window grills. But let's assume that it is true that keeping a store lit is a deterrent , then why wouldn't they put up cheap, motio…
> I don't think I understand what you are trying to say here. You're making the error of focusing too much on technological gizmos as "solutions." > Point is, businesses need to keep up with the times. Just stating that lightning keeps thieves away is not going to cut it. The context here is banning the lighting .
If some “gizmo” has the potential to make something better for a little investment, why not consider it?
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Myself and many others seem to find 21c too cold in winter and too hot in summer in some buildings. I think it's possibly due to radiant temperature: for example, the walls/roof/floor are hotter in summer so you need to cool the air down more to make up for that. That said, Japan and some other places (Singapore!) take it to the extreme, and in a modern well insulated building, this is much less needed than it used t…
Could it be for driver comfort? I sometimes have the impression that buses have their temperature tuned for the driver, who's staying in the bus for hours and has everyone's safety at least partially related to their comfort. But I find it impossible to confirm this by asking the bus companies why their buses are set this way (e.g. when windows were closed during Covid at about 20°C).
Re: Spain bans setting the AC below 27 degrees Celsius
#10027C is intolerable to work in..
The 27C headline figure would make more sense if it was something not commonly quoted, the web bulb temperature:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Psychrometric-chart-Givo...
Yes, outdoors, with high humidity, and 27C can become uncomfortable. But keep indoors away from direct or indirect infra red radiation (hot surfaces in sunlight like external walls and roofs can radiate a lot of IR into windows and the like, sunlight streaming into a window can add 1KW heating per square meter of window), in humidity low enough so you don't sweat, and add a fan then as you can see from that graph (area 12) it can be pleasant up to 30C. But remove the fan, raise the humidity, and even 25C can become downright unpleasant.
Setting the air-conditioning to 27C should be comfortable in the right clothes. Provided it is significantly hotter outside, the air conditioning won't just drop the temperature to 27C, it will drop the humidity as well. Keep the air moving and your body will do the rest.