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End of the Machinery Game Engine

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Re: End of the Machinery Game Engine

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Post by franciscop »

Accujack wrote: post #23
jwitthuhn wrote: post #6

This looks pretty shady. The current EULA on the website includes a bit that says they can terminate your license and ask you to delete all source and binaries entirely at their discretion[1]. The latest copy on the wayback machine from May does not have that bit.[2] 1. https://ourmachinery.com/eula.html 2. https://web.archive.org/web/20220529230958/https://ourmachin... So they used the 'we can update the eula at any…

That's not how licenses work. If they change the EULA, users of the software have to agree to it again for it to bind them. Usually what happens if a library license changes is that users are stuck on an old (potentially unsupported) version if they don't want to agree to the new EULA. I doubt the EULA as written is enforceable.

Exactly, this is BS and would not fly in most half-decent legal systems, specially given the timing.

Re: End of the Machinery Game Engine

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Post by undefuser »

KronisLV wrote: post #46

> ...you are requested to delete The Machinery source code and binaries. This is pretty weird. Then again, in regards to the engine itself dying, I feel like this is inevitable for many of the projects out there. For example, there was the Xenko engine which was later renamed to Stride: https://www.stride3d.net/ It's actually a nice project, has lots of great features and feels like it should be a more open alternati…

There are probably many reasons why this engine was not adopted by devs. For me, the last time I tried, the performance was terrible even in the most trivial test map. I dropped it instantly.

Re: End of the Machinery Game Engine

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Post by the_gremlin »

josephcsible wrote: post #2

Hopefully this will be a lesson that proprietary licenses subject you to rug pulls with no recourse, which FOSS licenses protect you from. Had Machinery been FOSS, then you could at least still keep using the last version of the engine that they did release, and even fork it to continue development yourself.

the funniest thing is that they were going on and on about how they would love to make the engine open-source so it could still be developed in the case they stopped working on it

Re: End of the Machinery Game Engine

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Post by stuaxo »

Vespasian wrote: post #69
matheusmoreira wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Most service agreements for enterprise agreements are negotiable, and certainly don't contain the above clauses. If you're a corporation, you have leverage which you can use to negotiate. Normal people don't, they are offered a take it or leave it deal and it's pretty much always what I described above.

That is right. For normal people the leverage comes mostly through market forces, consumer protection laws and regulations because then you are leveraging with your whole economy and sovereign power of your country. Not as good as individual leverage but better than nothing by a million miles.

Those market forces don't mean much when everyone offering a comparable service has those same conditions - there simply isn't a market for that part of the offering.

Re: End of the Machinery Game Engine

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Post by nudpiedo »

what happened and what direction is going to take the project from now on? You know, the web page has barely any links at all from a product which seems it was good, if it ever was something else than a landing page.

P.D. add "Tell HN:" to the title or a link to the web page

Re: End of the Machinery Game Engine

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Post by internetter »

devd00d wrote: post #40
faeranne wrote: post #12

I'm sorry, is this in any way legal? Did they just tell people to delete their games? Like... I'm pretty sure this kind of rug pull would destroy any company that relies on this engine. 14 days for a full re-write is insane.

I doubt it's legal and it will certainly destroy companies. And what makes it worse, is that my best guess is that they are going to capitalize on this move. Maybe repackage it as some other high priced software. Either way, the whole company should be ashamed. I use Godot and now I'm wondering if this can't happen at Godot as well. Perhaps it's time to switch to Unity. You pay but at least they have sort of stood th…

I really would not think above switching to unity considering in the past few months they have layed off hundreds of employees, the CEO called game developers "fucking idiots", and they merged with a malware distributor

Re: End of the Machinery Game Engine

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Post by psydvl »

gabstv wrote: post #87
alajmo wrote: post #49

For those interested in the blog posts and other technical information about the engine they shared with the public, check out: https://books.ourmachinery.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/20220529231010/https://ourmachine... https://github.com/OurMachinery/themachinery-books

https://github.com/OurMachinery/themachinery-books is 404 Probably deleted

It cached in web archive too

And if you accurate and patient enough, I think, you can manually copy latest state of repo

http://web.archive.org/web/20220801082043/https://github.com...

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