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Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by freediver »

tomxor wrote: post #85
freediver wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except they use their own browser features, sync, telemetry, privacy practices, business model etc...

All of those things are ancillary except for privacy (even though privacy capability is closely tied to the browser engine these days). It's like saying it must be a Cadillac... "but I can choose the seat colours and stereo so that counts for something!" - i mean sure if you value the stereo that much but you have no choice over the things that makes it what it is, the engine.

DeLorean DMC-12 and Renault 25 share the same engine. By your analogy these would basically be the same cars. Which of course is apsurd.

Engine just makes the car move, everything else defines it. Same with browsers on iOS. Also saying Chrome and Safari on iOS are same browsers because they share WebKit is like saying Edge and Vivaldi are same browsers because they share Blink (they share much more, but still they are very different).

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by e63f67dd-065b »

zaptrem wrote: post #32
sandstrom wrote: post #25

Probably preparations due to the upcoming EU framework. As a short summary, here are some of the new EU requirements on gatekeepers such as Apple. Gatekeepers must: - Allow users to install apps from third-party app stores and sideload directly from the internet. - Allow developers to offer third-party payment systems in apps and promote offers outside the gatekeeper's platforms. - Allow developers to integrate their…

- Give developers access to any hardware feature, such as "near-field communication technology, secure elements and processors, authentication mechanisms, and the software used to control those technologies." Here comes the Meta App Store to bypass all iOS privacy protections :( I really like the idea of an eject button to run arbitrary code and operating systems on my pocket computer, but 99% of the time I want it t…

I think this worry is overblown. We already have this on android, and FB/WhatsApp are still on the Google App Store. FB could start an alternative FB App Store tomorrow on android much more than they can on iOS and it’s been shown that nobody bothers.

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by notsound »

samwillis wrote: post #29

This is good news, I hope they make it available in all “In App Browsers” (IABs) too, along with all saved payment cards in your key chain. As a data point from an online retailer, we kept seeing a significantly high (I think it was something ridiculous like 30%) drop out at the check out payment screen for all Facebook/Instagram ad customers. What was happening was they were clicking on ads, coming to our site, goin…

I am using the beta, and I was able to make a purchase with Apple Pay via something resembling an IAB.

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by dvngnt_ »

zaptrem wrote: post #32
sandstrom wrote: post #25

Probably preparations due to the upcoming EU framework. As a short summary, here are some of the new EU requirements on gatekeepers such as Apple. Gatekeepers must: - Allow users to install apps from third-party app stores and sideload directly from the internet. - Allow developers to offer third-party payment systems in apps and promote offers outside the gatekeeper's platforms. - Allow developers to integrate their…

- Give developers access to any hardware feature, such as "near-field communication technology, secure elements and processors, authentication mechanisms, and the software used to control those technologies." Here comes the Meta App Store to bypass all iOS privacy protections :( I really like the idea of an eject button to run arbitrary code and operating systems on my pocket computer, but 99% of the time I want it t…

> - Give developers access to any hardware feature, such as "near-field communication technology, secure elements and processors, authentication mechanisms, and the software used to control those technologies."

> Here comes the Meta App Store to bypass all iOS privacy protections :(

> I really like the idea of an eject button to run arbitrary code and operating systems on my pocket computer, but 99% of the time I want it to "just work." If I valued the former over the latter I would have bought an Android phone.

> - Give developers access to any hardware feature, such as "near-field communication technology, secure elements and processors, authentication mechanisms, and the software used to control those technologies."

> Here comes the Meta App Store to bypass all iOS privacy protections :(

> I really like the idea of an eject button to run arbitrary code and operating systems on my pocket computer, but 99% of the time I want it to "just work." If I valued the former over the latter I would have bought an Android phone.

i value choice. no one is forcing you to download meta

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by pmontra »

jefftk wrote: post #63
pmontra wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Letting all browsers with a Safari engine use all the features of Safari-Safari fed be a way to nudge users to keep using Safari browsers instead of other browser engines, when that EU law forces Apple to open up the platform. The other browsers could be forever behind is iOS features. However that's going to make the browser experience closer to native.

I'm glad Apple is opening up features for other browsers to use on iOS, but I don't understand how this nudges users? As soon as it is permitted, Firefox, Chrome, etc will switch from their WebKit based implementations to using their own engines.

I might be wrong but if the upgrade from Chrome-Safari to Chrome-Chrome means that users lose Apple Pay inside the browser, something they just got used to have, maybe they switch to Safari-Safari to keep the feature.

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

mmh0000 wrote: post #45
zaptrem wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Give developers access to any hardware feature, such as "near-field communication technology, secure elements and processors, authentication mechanisms, and the software used to control those technologies." Here comes the Meta App Store to bypass all iOS privacy protections :( I really like the idea of an eject button to run arbitrary code and operating systems on my pocket computer, but 99% of the time I want it t…

A better way to think of it, is: Here comes F-Droid to further enhance iOS with privacy respecting applications

I really want f-droid to keep doing the good job and not buckle under some corporate bs pressure. It must remain independent.

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by owlbite »

dvngnt_ wrote: post #94
zaptrem wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Give developers access to any hardware feature, such as "near-field communication technology, secure elements and processors, authentication mechanisms, and the software used to control those technologies." Here comes the Meta App Store to bypass all iOS privacy protections :( I really like the idea of an eject button to run arbitrary code and operating systems on my pocket computer, but 99% of the time I want it t…

> - Give developers access to any hardware feature, such as "near-field communication technology, secure elements and processors, authentication mechanisms, and the software used to control those technologies." > Here comes the Meta App Store to bypass all iOS privacy protections :( > I really like the idea of an eject button to run arbitrary code and operating systems on my pocket computer, but 99% of the time I wan…

Well, at least not until your employer/kids school/other entity you don't really have a choice about forces it down your throat.

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by GeekyBear »

stefan_ wrote: post #90
GeekyBear wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Remember Facebook offering people a few bucks to MITM their entire phone? Oh wait, that was on the official App store! And they didn't even ban them! No, companies can apply for their own app signing key that allows them to create apps for their own in-house-only uses that completely bypass the App Store. Facebook used that enterprise signing key to install spyware on user's devices. This had nothing to do with the…

Please read carefully what you wrote. > that completely bypass the App Store [..] Apple did revoke their signing key Do you see it yet? There is no "bypassing the App Store". At the end of the day, the root of trust comes back to Apple. And, of course, they "revoked" it meaning they waited for a week or so and then Facebook had all their enterprise apps back. This isn't the treatment in store for you if you attempted…

Sorry, but bypassing the App Store and it's associated review process is exactly what Enterprise signing certificates do allow.

Those apps are not distributed through the App Store.

>Oh wait, that was on the official App store!

Do you see it yet? :oP

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

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Post by tomxor »

freediver wrote: post #91
tomxor wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of those things are ancillary except for privacy (even though privacy capability is closely tied to the browser engine these days). It's like saying it must be a Cadillac... "but I can choose the seat colours and stereo so that counts for something!" - i mean sure if you value the stereo that much but you have no choice over the things that makes it what it is, the engine.

DeLorean DMC-12 and Renault 25 share the same engine. By your analogy these would basically be the same cars. Which of course is apsurd. Engine just makes the car move, everything else defines it. Same with browsers on iOS. Also saying Chrome and Safari on iOS are same browsers because they share WebKit is like saying Edge and Vivaldi are same browsers because they share Blink (they share much more, but still they ar…

You can pull my analogy to pieces all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you are using apple-webkit, when you use any browser on iOS, not gecko, not blink... and unlike a car, the browser engine makes up 99% of what the browser does. but if you want to argue that bookmark syncing and shit is a significant feature, i mean sure whatever, i think you need to open your eyes.

Re: Tell HN: Apple Pay works in non-Safari browsers in iOS 16 Beta 3

#100

Post by freediver »

tomxor wrote: post #99
freediver wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

DeLorean DMC-12 and Renault 25 share the same engine. By your analogy these would basically be the same cars. Which of course is apsurd. Engine just makes the car move, everything else defines it. Same with browsers on iOS. Also saying Chrome and Safari on iOS are same browsers because they share WebKit is like saying Edge and Vivaldi are same browsers because they share Blink (they share much more, but still they ar…

You can pull my analogy to pieces all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you are using apple-webkit, when you use any browser on iOS, not gecko, not blink... and unlike a car, the browser engine makes up 99% of what the browser does. but if you want to argue that bookmark syncing and shit is a significant feature, i mean sure whatever, i think you need to open your eyes.

So Edge and Vivaldi are same browsers, just 1% different?
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