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The Case for C# and .NET

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Re: The Case for C# and .NET

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Post by Barrin92 »

jeremycarter wrote: post #54
andrewstuart wrote: post #7

C# and TypeScript seem to be far and away the most popular programming languages today. At least from the perspective of recruiting in Australia. Python is on the way up and third most popular but well behind C# and TypeScript. Golang is on the way up but very small in terms of number of developers. Java is on the way down but will never vanish, it's just not super popular any more. Ruby is small enough to just be a…

IMO Python and C# are not comparable. Python is at best a simple scripting language, you really can't build anything globally scalable on it. No offense to people who use Python daily, just my own observations (probably wrong).

the biggest python codebase I'm personally aware of is JP Morgan's Athena and is about ~30 million LOC. Google, Youtube and Dropbox use Python extensively etc. Python being a scripting language stopped being a correct statement probably over a decade ago.

Re: The Case for C# and .NET

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Post by DeWilde »

dustinmoris wrote: post #89
CyanLite4 wrote: post #88

This thread shows there is still a large amount of FUD around .NET and it’s community. Folks here still think it’s Windows-only and comparable to Java. Yet latest TechEmpower benchmarks shows .net running on Linux and being faster than Go, Python, Node, and Rust.

The dev experience is Windows only, STILL: https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=32220935&goto=item%3Fi... (Also the benchmarks are a cheat, look at the source code of C# vs the source code of Go or Java)

I use Rider on my Ubuntu machine and the dev experience for me, is even better than using VS2022 on Windows.

Re: The Case for C# and .NET

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Post by Kwpolska »

faeriechangling wrote: post #85
jimbob45 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VS is free though.

That sure isn't my understanding if you work for a large enough business. It is very explicitly NOT free. https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/license-terms/mlt031819/ This is the rare post where I would be fucking ecstatic to be proven wrong but sadly I believe I'm correct.

Yes, VS is free for individual devs, and for five users in a small business. Does it matter though? If you're too cheap to pay for developer tools, you're probably a terrible place to work at.

Re: The Case for C# and .NET

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Post by Semaphor »

hutattedonmyarm wrote: post #45
noisy_boy wrote: post #31

My understanding is that with .NET Core, the experience of developing and running on Linux is on-par with Windows(?). However, my impression is that once it comes to building web services, ASP.NET has more "windows-specific" assumptions/moving parts - can someone knowledgeable on this correct me if I'm wrong?

I wouldn't call it on par. But it has been getting better. Developing on Linux still isn't great (I vastly prefer Visual Studio over VSCode for .NET), but might be good with the Rider IDE, which I haven't used. Running it has come a long way, but there are still some annoyances left. I'd still say that it is good, though

FWIW, I’m on Windows and still prefer Rider over VS

Re: The Case for C# and .NET

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Post by osigurdson »

bayesian_horse wrote: post #76
osigurdson wrote: post #55

The article makes a case against using Node.js but doesn't bother to provide a comparison of C# and its actual competitors: Java and Go.

Python, Ruby.

Obviously there is some degree of subjectivity as what a given language's competitors are. In some sense all languages compete with one another but I do think there is some natural clumping of languages/ecosystems.

In my view Python and Ruby are not natural competitors to C# as they are dynamically typed and (in Python's case) interpreted. Similarly Rust, C, and C++ are not natural competitors to C# as they do not have a GC. Java, C# and Go, on the other hand, are pretty similar.

Re: The Case for C# and .NET

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Post by banashark »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #82

Until .NET has the equivalent of Zod, I'm not that interested. Being able to write a validation schema and deriving types from it automatically - that I can share on client and server - is just too big an advantage.

Zod is really cool.

Similar in F# land is https://github.com/Zaid-Ajaj/Fable.Remoting While both client and server are designed to be used from F#, they should be able to be used from js/ts as well as c# if desired, though I have not tested that.

Re: The Case for C# and .NET

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Post by mostertoaster »

> My hope is that .NET and C# have a resurgence as .NET 6 rounds the corner. With .NET 6, C# 10, and minimal APIs, the language feels more modern than ever and is the perfect gateway from TypeScript/JavaScript on the server to .NET.

Oh please please please let this come true so I can write c# on the backend again. I love typescript because it made JavaScript (i.e. front end web) so much less shit to work on, and I’d prefer it over ruby or python backends still, but c# hits such a sweet spot of ease to write, while still remaining relatively performant.

Go and rust are probably better for certain applications, but c# would be light years ahead of things like ruby or python.

Re: The Case for C# and .NET

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Post by ivraatiems »

sandreas wrote: post #18

I also think that C# and .NET are awesome. Especially latest releases dotnet 6 and upcoming 7 have a ton of new things to be even more productive. I like the fact, that you can develop command line apps, Web APIs, Desktop Apps and smartphone apps all with the same toolset, including the fact that deployment is possible on nearly every major platform for every major platform (except iOS and macOS Apps, as always only…

I've been a .NET developer professionally for seven and a half years. Rider is the way to go. Visual Studio has improved dramatically over the last decade or so, but Rider is still way ahead of it on code search/discovery, performance, and general user experience. I did a tech talk at my company where I demoed Rider vs Visual Studio 2019 performance on our bigger projects... it was embarrassing for VS. VS 2022 was substantially better on performance, but also crashed during the demo.

Re: The Case for C# and .NET

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Post by banashark »

runevault wrote: post #15
labrador wrote: post #5

> For the front-end, JavaScript is unavoidable (for now) Author really needs to give Blazor a try. I wrote some comments last week speculating that I'd use Dart or TypeScript with C# .NET on the client because WebAssembly doesn't do DOM manipulation, but turns out I should have waited to learn it better before making a comment. I've learned I can add events and event handlers to elements without ever leaving C#. Then…

If you're willing to go down the f# rabbit hole there's also Fable which I need to try but I've heard very good things about.

Fable is pretty nice to work with. Writing bindings is fairly trivial given typescripts influence on the front-end library landscape, and you can just yolo call things dynamically if you want.

Here's a small gist where I use fable-py to use the python prettymaps project that was posted a week ago on HN: https://gist.github.com/Banashek/1cc3d8435843bcff230906fb037...

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