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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
#92Lots of folks here arguing that the focus on TikTok is unfair, given the data collection practices of domestic corps like Facebook. From a privacy point of view, this argument is well-founded, but I think it's tangential to the argument TFA is making, which is: this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. I get it. We want corps to stop hoo…
I actually think it's naive. Sure if military personnel or state department use TikTok that can create security risks, but the same is true with any other social media network.
The additional data that TikTok tries to gather from the mobile OSs is insignificant compared to what you can get from videos that people take willingly.
Russian soldiers use VK, that doesn't stop OSINT researchers tracking them down on there.
Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
They ban them because the companies don't want to follow the same rules Chinese companies have to follow. It's exactly what I'm asking for. Have one set of rules and apply them to everyone. Ban data harvesting completely. Ban it for Facebook, Google and everyone else and then kick out TikTok because they don't follow the rules.
They ban them because they won’t censor factual information and won’t promote disinformation. See how Chinese censorship applies to mRNA vaccine conspiracy theories. A person that debunked them was banned from wechat. Do you see western governments doing this?
> They ban them because they won’t censor factual information and won’t promote disinformation.
Different censorship, different disinformation - but we have that in the west as well. The EU is several steps ahead in this race thanks to their Digital Services Act (making it criminal to spread some information, and threatening service providers with million-Euro-fines if they don't delete quickly enough [as in: within hours]), but the US has its very own 'Disinformation Governance Board' located with DHS, which is in all but name a Ministry of Truth. You are supposed to use the Internet to earn money and consume and spend, not to question the narrative.
There are no good countries. All nation-states suck. Some are better at marketing their alleged superiority to their less-intelligent (and thanks to controlling the education system: kept less-intelligent) population through "patriotism", though.
Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
#94Lots of folks here arguing that the focus on TikTok is unfair, given the data collection practices of domestic corps like Facebook. From a privacy point of view, this argument is well-founded, but I think it's tangential to the argument TFA is making, which is: this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. I get it. We want corps to stop hoo…
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I think it'd be fair (maybe not fine) if China were to allow, say, Facebook to operate in China if Tiktok can operate in the U.S.
Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
#95I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…
American companies working against national security will be held accountable. A Chinese companh working against american national security will be celebrated at home instead.
... as will be an American company working against Chinese national security.
Kettle. Pot.
Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
#96Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
#97"Only Americans are allowed to spy on other Americans!"
Or Europeans...
Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
#98A bit hypocritical but it's still mostly correct. Also, China is not the US. This is a Giant Thing. China would never, ever, ever allow US companies to have direct influence over their media, so even by basic tit-for-tat rules, this is reasonable. Moreover, even from a 'trade' perspective, if China does not allow such social media apps from US over there, which denies US companies that Ad revenue, the same should be…
It's not even hypocrisy, they believe there are not bad things but only bad people doing it. Like in the Harry Potter book where slavery is not bad per se, only when done by bad people. If Harry Potter owns a slave that's fine because Harry is good.
Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You could argue that a data hoarder in a jurisdiction other than your own is even less significant for personal data security. I kinda feel this way. On a national security level, China having everyone's data is absolutely a disaster. But on a personal level - if I lived in the United States, I would rather the Chinese government surveil me than the US government.
They aren’t just going to surveil you though. They will actively work to promote disinformation to you.
The more I read about the dangers of disinformation, the more I get the idea that 'disinformation' just means 'information my current government does not agree with'.
Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores
#100https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Carr_(lawyer) Lawyer that opposed net neutrality and now voicing his disapproval of apps built by the China. Sounds like he's making a play to become a career politician using his version of what 'ok authoritarianism' is. I'd like to see someone actually prove a security risk rather than hypothetically posing it. I.e. show me 1000 tiktok downloaded videos run through a program wi…
> I'd like to see someone actually prove a security risk
Even if we could access all the data, the proof would come too late, by definition.
Of course seeing the proof would be interesting, but that's not the point. Rules are created to protect interests, weighing advantages and disadvantages. That's why allies get more leeway than enemies.
I don't know what your position is, but there are various people in this thread calling such a measure "dangerous" and comparing tiktok to facebook. First: there's more than one dangerous thing in the world, and calling outlawing tiktok dangerous probably says more about their addiction than it does about liberties. Second, facebook is also "social media" that collects data, but that's where the similarity ends. You can't expect two entities to be treated identically just because they share some features. I cannot believe people make such arguments seriously and in good faith.