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Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by D13Fd »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #81

Since I still login to Facebook at least once a month to see what my family is doing, I see no reason for me to switch. If I was starting with a new device with no prior purchases of entertainment content, then I would create an Oculus account. For me, Oculus is the one really great thing about Meta/Facebook. It is my favorite toy.

I'm still disappointed that Facebook bought Oculus. I was a big Oculus Rift user, but I switched to a Valve Index when Facebook got involved. I don't want Facebook monetizing my data and my gaming life.

It sucks because the Valve software just isn't anywhere close to being as good. And they haven't shown any meaningful signs of improvement in the last two years. I don't think they are ever going to get it like Oculus used to. I think they'll eventually decide VR is not worth it because of a lack of user engagement, when in reality the problem is that no one wants to constantly fight with Valve's obstinate software just to play VR games.

Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by JoshTriplett »

superkuh wrote: post #82
marrone12 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly did they "do" to oculus besides give them a ton of funding and try to bring them into the mainstream?

They broke the emerging VR software ecosystem into the open side which many companies supported and a Facebook only proprietary one they asserted ownership and control of. Before Facebook bought Oculus there was cooperation and native software interoptibility between Vive and Rift. Then they stopped supporting desktop head mounted displays for the most part and switched to building face mounted VR computers that happ…

This has been what I've found frustrating about most past VR headsets or attempts to build one: I don't want a VR headset to be like a phone or laptop and have its own computer and app ecosystem; I want a peripheral that attaches to my phone and laptop.

Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by pesenti »

dljsjr wrote: post #71

@dang This is a heavily editorialized bait-and-switch title, posted by a user who is a VP at Facebook. That doesn't seem above board.

I am actually no longer working for Meta. I do think the title reflects the news and is factually correct. But happy for @dang to change it back as it’s not exactly the title of the article

Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by ziddoap »

izzydata wrote: post #80
fardo wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook maintains “shadow profile” accounts for people who have not personally made an account [1], the answer to your question is “whatever information your friends and family exposed on your behalf and which is linkable to you”. [1] https://medium.com/@SpiderOak/facebook-shadow-profiles-a-pro...

so you think they are confident enough to link somebodies randomly created alias, let's say "InteretDude420" to a real name? What if opened a VR Arcade and owned 100 Oculus Quests and made 100 separate accounts?

>so you think they are confident enough to link somebodies randomly created alias, let's say "InteretDude420" to a real name?

After a certain amount of fingerprinting, absolutely. It's not as if they are solely relying on user-submitted information such as a handle to make that link. And if no link can be made right this second, they can just continue to collect data under "InteretDude420" until they reach a certain amount of confidence to link it to a real identity.

And, even if they get it wrong some % of the time, who would ever notice or find out? Eventually they just get more data and increase the confidence rating for the correlation.

It is surprising how little information (even "anonymized information") is needed to de-anonymize someone. Plenty of papers on the subject if you are curious.

Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by NegativeLatency »

pesenti wrote: post #93
dljsjr wrote: post #71

@dang This is a heavily editorialized bait-and-switch title, posted by a user who is a VP at Facebook. That doesn't seem above board.

I am actually no longer working for Meta. I do think the title reflects the news and is factually correct. But happy for @dang to change it back as it’s not exactly the title of the article

Do you still hold stock?

Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by dljsjr »

pesenti wrote: post #93
dljsjr wrote: post #71

@dang This is a heavily editorialized bait-and-switch title, posted by a user who is a VP at Facebook. That doesn't seem above board.

I am actually no longer working for Meta. I do think the title reflects the news and is factually correct. But happy for @dang to change it back as it’s not exactly the title of the article

Ideally the submission title would have matched the blog title and then not only would it have been factually correct but it would have also not had any omissions. It seems disingenuous to me to post a submission with that title knowing how unpopular the FB account requirement is in this circle while tacitly omitting the fact that a Meta account is going to be required. It might not have been your intent but it did come across as suspicious and as it is it comes across as a Lie of Omission.

Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by pesenti »

NegativeLatency wrote: post #95
pesenti wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am actually no longer working for Meta. I do think the title reflects the news and is factually correct. But happy for @dang to change it back as it’s not exactly the title of the article

Do you still hold stock?

I do.

Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by lolinder »

pesenti wrote: post #93
dljsjr wrote: post #71

@dang This is a heavily editorialized bait-and-switch title, posted by a user who is a VP at Facebook. That doesn't seem above board.

I am actually no longer working for Meta. I do think the title reflects the news and is factually correct. But happy for @dang to change it back as it’s not exactly the title of the article

It does not reflect the news accurately. Very few people here distinguish between "Meta" and "Facebook". An account is still required to use the device, and that account is still owned by Meta/Facebook.

(As an aside, you should probably update your HN profile, it still reads "Now VP of AI at Facebook.")

Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by lordofgibbons »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #88
lordofgibbons wrote: post #21

Just after leaks of a killer VR headset from Valve? No thank you, Meta. For those not in the know, Valve is coming out with a successor to the Index headset called Valve Deckard. They'll probably announce it later this year. From the leaked information, it looks like an absolute beast of a headset.

I didn't realize the Index was still being sold - it was unavailable so long that I thought they launched it, sold the initial batch, then never made more and abandoned the product. As a result, I wrote Valve off as "launches awesome tech demos but doesn't want to make consumer products". (I thought they also launched then cancelled another hardware product, but I don't remember details and can't find anything, so my…

From what we know, it will be both standalone but will also be able to connect to a PC to make use of a more powerful GPU.

Re: Meta Accounts: A New Login for VR

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Post by amelius »

Duralias wrote: post #73
amelius wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will need an Apple ID. And it will have no adult VR content.

> And it will have no adult VR content. With the new EU rules there would be nothing stopping anyone from viewing such stuff, because to my understanding those rules apply universally to the company, not just to individual products.

Ok, good point, so in the EU ... perhaps.
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