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New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by windows2020 »

woodruffw wrote: post #73
fatcat500 wrote: post #48

At this rate, Europe will become 2nd world by the end of the century. Instead of focusing on innovation and competition in the global market, Europeans are busy legislating their freedoms away.

I'm not aware of a "freedom to speed" under either the US Constitution or the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights. Speeding falls under the "expedient" category of crimes: it's been illegal this entire time, but selectively enforced for practical reasons. Nobody wants to live in a society where a sufficient number of police are chartered to universally enforce speeding laws, so this seems like a very reasonable soluti…

Please see the 10th amendment. "Freedom to speed" is reserved for the states to decide. However, like the Federal Government has done in the past (the since repealed National Maximum Speed Law), it may attempt to persuade states by withholding some, but not too much funding (South Dakota v. Dole).

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by woodruffw »

windows2020 wrote: post #91
woodruffw wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not aware of a "freedom to speed" under either the US Constitution or the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights. Speeding falls under the "expedient" category of crimes: it's been illegal this entire time, but selectively enforced for practical reasons. Nobody wants to live in a society where a sufficient number of police are chartered to universally enforce speeding laws, so this seems like a very reasonable soluti…

Please see the 10th amendment. "Freedom to speed" is reserved for the states to decide. However, like the Federal Government has done in the past (the since repealed National Maximum Speed Law), it may attempt to persuade states by withholding some, but not too much funding (South Dakota v. Dole).

No, the 10th Amendment doesn't guarantee you the right to speed. The closest thing would really be the 9th Amendment, but even that doesn't imply a positive right to speed -- the strongest argument would be that nothing forbids a right to speed, which in turn must be justified as an actual right. Which, in fact, it is not.

(What you're describing has nothing to do with speeding under the law, which doesn't care whether different states have different maximum speeds. Speeding isn't a Federal crime, and when we're talking about it the sole thing we're talking about is the individual State laws that describe speeding in the US.)

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by ThatGeoGuy »

joebob42 wrote: post #30
jtonz wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A _vast_ majority of exceeding the speed limit is not done for valid reasons.

I'd argue that it's almost never correct to drive the speed limit. In the US at least they are almost universally slower than the natural speed of the road by 5-10 mph and everyone speeds a bit all the time.

This is a bit preposterous. First off, do you know how speeds are set? Civil engineers build a road, and then figure out the 85th percentile speed for that road based on sample data collected. [0]

That's a couple things:

1. Not based on any actual design criteria for the road

2. Assumes that 85% of drivers are somehow more knowledgeable than the engineers who are supposed to be designing our roads and transportation.

The claim that you should be always able to go 5-10mph above the limit seems to be a mythos invented in and ingrained in the fabric of the American psyche. Better approaches exist than to just pick a popularity consensus from a sample of random drivers in a study (who are predisposed to going faster, often because the study is done before full levels of traffic set in).

[0] https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2020/7/24/understanding-...

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by judge2020 »

The regulation in English: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...

It's going to be like the auto start/stop button on new vehicles: you can turn it off, but it'll always be on whenever the car is turned on again.

> it shall be possible to switch off the system; information about the speed limit may still be provided, and intelligent speed assistance shall be in normal operation mode upon each activation of the vehicle master control switch;

To add, the same system will be required for AEB:

> 4. Advanced emergency braking systems and emergency lane-keeping systems shall meet the following requirements in particular:

> the systems shall be in normal operation mode upon each activation of the vehicle master control switch;

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by Gigachad »

noduerme wrote: post #22

I object to driving any car with a built-in GPS or an internet connection, on basic privacy grounds. It amazes me how many advocacy groups and organizations [edit: and bicycle fans right here on HN!] are willing to completely demolish essential rights like privacy and freedom of movement, in the name of preventing speeding accidents.

I object to people operating dangerous vehicles in areas I walk without proper safety equipment. Feel free to drive whatever you want on your own private property.

If you want privacy and freedom, you are free to walk or ride a bicycle unidentified. Which is fine as there is essentially no risk of killing people.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by Gigachad »

cromulent wrote: post #69

It won’t stop them from speeding. “The ISA system is required to work with the driver and not to restrict his/her possibility to act in any moment during driving. The driver is always in control and can easily override the ISA system.” https://road-safety-charter.ec.europa.eu/resources-knowledge...

Most speeding is unintentional. This will help the vast majority. The rest can he handled through enforcement of existing laws.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by bathtub365 »

lvass wrote: post #9

So all cars will be susceptible to "phantom braking" due to a bug or worse? I really dislike this, and living in the third world I can already imagine fake road signs being used to decelerate and rob cars.

Where do you see that in the article? It doesn’t mention anything about braking.

Re: New cars will stop drivers from speeding under European laws

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Post by userbinator »

ABeeSea wrote: post #8
Raed667 wrote: post #3

There is absolutely no reason any road car should be able to (consistently) drive faster than ~150km/h

But have you considered how much fun breaking the speed limit is?

I know you intended it to be a bit of a throwaway comment, but I think you hit on something very fundamental and human which explains why everyone is so outraged by things like this: taking risks is part of life, the thrill is the enjoyment. That's what true freedom feels like... and also responsibility, since if you mess up, you also face the consequences.

Things like this take away not only freedom but also normalise and encourage a condition of continuous subservience. Those in power want everyone to live a sterile, "healthy" life under their control, one with neither risk nor personal freedom.

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