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Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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rootusrootus wrote: post #57
giantg2 wrote: post #26

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What is behaviorally/biologically beneficial varies by individual. Societal life should be a factor as that does factor into the holistic well-being of the student. Not just some myopic rule about start times that negatively impacts everything else (after school activities, jobs, parent schedules, etc). "Schools shouldn't be forcing developing humans into a schedule that impairs their ability to learn and function, n…

> A later schedule would have been terrible for me. Me too. I have always been an early riser, early sleeper. Forcing me to go to school later in the day would have been awful.

In what way would it have been awful? Even if you shifted schools several hours ahead of your wake time, it just means that you have more time in the morning and less time in the afternoon, but still well within your normal hours.

I think the goal of these sorts of policies is to increase the breadth of students which can benefit from you know, actually being well rested inside school hours. A person that sleeps later and wakes up later (which studies that justify these sorts of policies indicates teenagers largely are) would benefit from a later start time.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by imadethis »

bluGill wrote: post #36
guelo wrote: post #23

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Don't working parents already have a nightmare with school day ending around 2pm? This would just shift some of that nightmare from afternoon to morning.

They already have daycare picking the kids up. Now they have to drop the kids off, and the kids can't really do anything at daycare because they are quickly getting into the bus to get to school, then when off school there is less time to do anything before their parents pick them up again.

No high school student is going to daycare though, and this law is specifically for high school students.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by giantg2 »

alar44 wrote: post #88
giantg2 wrote: post #45

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How do you think this has nothing to do with parents? You do realize that 14-17 is still a minor?

And are fully capable of walking, riding bikes, or waiting for the bus on their own. The permanent infantilization of America is fucking insane and dangerous.

Parents get forced into it due to the laws and societal expectations (juries/civil cases). Guess who can go to jail if their teenage kid doesn't go to school? Fix that law, and then we can start talking about these.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by alistairSH »

rootusrootus wrote: post #69
alistairSH wrote: post #44

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Yep. And it’s 100% normal for early prior year school aged kids in Japan to cross town on the subway on their own. The American obsession with helicoptering their kids all the way through their first job is super weird and unhealthy.

Could we just stop? Please? I know it's cool to talk shit about Americans constantly but it gets old. I want to expect better from HN. > The American obsession with helicoptering their kids all the way through their first job is super weird and unhealthy. My kids, along with many others, were getting themselves to & from school without my supervision starting in third grade. Earlier, even, for my son since his sister…

I’m American and I’ve seen enough helicopter stupidity over the years to be confident saying it’s a problem. Is it the norm? Maybe not. But it’s common enough to be a thing.

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Post by ironmagma »

giantg2 wrote: post #38
gnopgnip wrote: post #22

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But if all schools have to start later, employers will need to work around that

Some might. I bet many won't. Good luck doing business with the east coast if your office doesn't open until 11 am pacific.

If you're doing business with the east coast, you probably don't need to be in the office for that.

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Post by alistairSH »

freedomben wrote: post #53
alistairSH wrote: post #35

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We’re talking about a pretty small window of time. 2 hours at most. And a kid who’s going to willfully skip school is going to do so whether or not school starts at 8:30 instead of 7:30. In most cases, this should work out better for parents. With elementary school starting latest (as was the norm in many places a decade ago), the little kids end up in pre-care AND after-care. Now, they’ll start earlier, possibly avo…

Two hours is plenty of time for mischief, and skipping school isn't the concern. Source: Made a lot of mischief in my youth.

Sure, but you probably would have gotten up to mischief regardless of the first bell. And in the case of the morning, would you choose mischief or an extra hour of sleep? Just a guess, but I bet most kids take the sleep.

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Post by ghaff »

giantg2 wrote: post #45
iso1631 wrote: post #32

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Why? We're talking high schools - which I believe in the US is about age 15 onwards, nothing to do with parents

How do you think this has nothing to do with parents? You do realize that 14-17 is still a minor?

I wouldn't say "nothing to do with parents." But kids in that age range can do quite a few things on their own. I was in college in a different city at 16.

Re: New California law requires high schools to start later

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Post by EUROCARE »

itronitron wrote: post #62
bluGill wrote: post #29

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Schools reused school buses, once they deliver the elementary school kids it is back out (different route) for the next grade. I wouldn't be surprised if there were other schools in your district with other start times. If the school system would team up with public transit, they are already a quarter of the say to all day bus service for everyone.

In many European cities all public school students use the existing public transit (buses, trams, subway). Very young children are typically dropped off and picked up by a parent, but beyond second grade they are usually traveling with their peers.

"all" is hyper-optimistic. I live in such city, and it's half at best, the rest needs a car to get around anyways; and most schools require parents to pick up children at least until third grade.
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