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Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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I wonder if this is a business decision that has shown it could be profitable. I can imagine people without kids work more hours. Then again, they have a lot less to lose. Interesting business decision. The question I have, some states are going to call abortion murder and charge it as such. Is Google aiding and abetting a homicide?

I assumed it was a decision relating to a woman's reproductive rights. To suggest it is a business decision is sort of debasing?

> I assumed it was a decision relating to a woman's reproductive rights.

But, you realize it's largely a question of axioms, right? Two sides are talking past each other because they take their axioms for granted as self-evident.

It's simply a question of a woman's reproductive rights if you take it as axiomatic that a fetus isn't a person.

I don't take it as axiomatic that personhood begins at conception, but if I did, it would all of a sudden be a question of balancing the rights of two people instead of just the woman's reproductive rights. We don't have a clean scientific definition of personhood. The fetus is genetically distinct and is essentially a parasitic larval human. Scientifically, it's just tissue, but so am I. The real question is if it's a person, and that's a legal and moral question that is largely axiomatic.

The reality is that very few of us have a problem with aborting an unviable fetus or early abortion in cases of rape, very few of us support aborting a perfectly healthy fetus minutes before birth, and hard science doesn't provide us many clear lines somewhere in the middle.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Every state that defines life begins at conception rather than heartbeat or viability. The supremes already mentioned contraception and ivf willingly discards embryos that are not needed.

The supreme court doesn't write laws, they only interpret them. Laws are very specifically written and often include enumerated exceptions and specific scenarios. They don't just say "Life begins at conception and that's that".

Oklahoma has proposed. Supremes removed all limits on laws. “Not mentioned in constitution” applies to all sorts of things.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Fun work perk: we're moving you to a location with a local culture you find abhorrent

I get to lose some rights too? What a deal!

You get to lose them either way. The supreme court just rolled back the right to privacy with this ruling, and they've made it clear roll backs of gay rights, birth control bans and anti-sodomy laws are coming next.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Honestly, Apple should be dialing down investment in Texas.

I can see that being smart, but even after the influx of tech Austin is still a way lower cost of living than CA and their campus is close to a few good stem universities. Plus, if everyone educated leaves the place it will just perpetuate. Then again, climate change will probably make it unlivable anyway.

> their campus is close to a few good stem universities

From Scott Aaronson's blog today: https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=6518

"Most obviously for me, the continued viability of Texas as a place for science, for research, for technology companies, is now in severe doubt. Already this year, our 50-member CS department at UT Austin has had faculty members leave, and faculty candidates turn us down, with abortion being the stated reason, and I expect that to accelerate."

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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I wonder if this is a business decision that has shown it could be profitable. I can imagine people without kids work more hours. Then again, they have a lot less to lose. Interesting business decision. The question I have, some states are going to call abortion murder and charge it as such. Is Google aiding and abetting a homicide?

That is the next move on their part to make it premeditated murder. If you know evangelicals like I do, you know that I'm not joking.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Sorry, does Google normally bar their employees from relocating at will anyway?

Usually it's a long process to relocate. They may be stating that they are willing to approve it for anyone who wants to relocate while at the same time making the process easy for them.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Ignoring abortion, I suspect that states without contraception, IVF or gay rights will be of less interest to a significant portion of the tech workforce. Companies would have to provide alternatives unless they want to limit their hiring to red state natives. Good argument for wfh to get talent that just won’t go there. Note that most contraceptives prevent implantation and IVF creates more embryos than needed. Both…

> suspect that states will be of less interest to a significant portion of the tech workforce.

This is part of the stated plan: “Josh Hawley says abortion ruling will push people to move states, strengthening the GOP” https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article2...

The sad thing is this comes right as remote work has the potential to do the opposite: bring Americans closer together by allowing more opportunity in states people have been leaving for decades in order to seek opportunity in tech and other industries.

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> Note that most contraceptives prevent implantation and IVF creates more embryos than needed. Both are no-no’s under the new regime. Do you have any examples of specific laws of in any states that would make contraception or IVF illegal? Most pro-life people are very supportive of IVF as they are all about people having more babies. Many states with anti-abortion laws also have laws explicitly making surrogacy legal…

It's not about making it illegal, it's that IVF typically results in more fertilized embryos than are kept. So like you said, the pro-life folks would force every single one to be kept.

Technically you can donate the unused embryos, though I don’t know how that would work legally.

I suspect most states will end up having pretty level headed laws once this all shakes out in 5 years or so with a few outliers on both sides.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Relocating to low tax jurisdictions and boosting employee morale both contribute towards creating long term shareholder value. > The Russian sanctions actually surprised me in that a lot of corporations actually pulled out and fast. Companies either pulled out because they were legally obligated (That's what sanctions are) or they wanted to avoid reputational damage to their brands. Again, rational self interest. Cor…

This is completely made up. Corporations take political positions all the time; it's why they hire lobbyists. Taking political positions is part of business. Your statement really could not be further from the truth.

They often don't take political positions, they make them.

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wrt. business decision. I think that in-vitro fertilization would soon become not an option in the "life at conception" states. Probably eggs freezing too. Even may be some forms of contraception. That will have more and more negative impact on that group of employees who would need such services. Also family planning becomes very dented at the "planning" part as getting pregnant one would have to accept the much hig…

You wouldn't euthanize your dog or cat if it had some end of life condition and in pain everyday?

i would. That why i said that incest, serious genetic defects and the likes would warrant a later cut-off, definitely into cats/dogs/pigs level of sentience and may be in very serious cases even into monkey like level of sentience, though that is pushing as it starts to become closer to human euthanasia which is really tough and much more complex subject, and personally and as society we are definitely not able to handle it right.
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