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3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Re: 3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Post by shadowpho »

windowsrookie wrote: post #76
PuppyTailWags wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pretty sure daily walks (no heart rate elevation, not HIIT, no muscle being built, etc.) didn't contribute significantly to your mother's weight loss. Moving around is not a significant contributor to weight loss[1]. Diet is the most significant contributing factor to gaining or losing weight. Moving in with someone new, new environment, new dietary changes, etc. might've done significantly more. 1. https://www.n…

Weight loss is simply calories in - calories out. If she walked an hour a day and ate the same amount, she was burning around ~300 extra calories a day. Pretty sure her daily walks did contribute significantly to her weight loss.

>If she walked an hour a day and ate the same amount

If she does more activity, she gets hungrier. This will pressure more eating. Fighting that is a losing battle for majority of dieters.

Furthermore, consider that the body is a lot more complicated than "calories in, calories out". It can change your hunger level, lower the body temperature, reduce energy spent on fighting disease...

Re: 3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Post by RobertRoberts »

arcticbull wrote: post #74
RobertRoberts wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An old saying is an "ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". When the cure prevents any analysis of applying prevention (even discussing it) then the cure is part of the problem.

In what way does either of these cures prevent any analysis?

When some absurd cure comes along, and you question it's veracity, the common and often immediate (even vitriolic) response is to find some extreme edge case where the cure is effective.

This approach demonizes the questioner while justifies the cure for any and all ailments. Therefore shutting down any rational discussion on the merits of both the cure, underlying disease/problem and any concepts of prevention.

Re: 3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Post by goodpoint »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #80
KennyBlanken wrote: post #68

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If you think that US and EU investigators / regulators didn't know that every manufacturer was cheating on their emissions figures, I have a bridge in London to sell you. Do you think EU politicians didn't know exactly what they were doing when they gave responsibility for reporting emissions figures to automakers and then blindly trusted them? It's been an open secret for decades among 'chip' tuners that manufacture…

> Do you think EU politicians didn't know exactly what they were doing when they gave responsibility for reporting emissions figures to automakers and then blindly trusted them Most medical devices will carry out private bio-safety tests. Most electronics will perform private EMC tests. I agree it's crap but automotive is not some special case or part of a conspiracy. A lot of regulated industries self-regulate. The…

> automotive is not ... part of a conspiracy

A group of people secretly breaking the law is exactly a conspiracy, by definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conspire

> A lot of regulated industries self-regulate

Not so easy. Traffic engineers, meteorologists, environmental agencies and other [EU-funded] organizations monitor the air quality constantly and have detailed statistics on how many cars of each model are on the road.

You can easily do the math and see that the numbers do not match expectations.

You cannot tell which brand is cheating but you can tell that the pollution is much, much higher than expected.

Re: 3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Post by ravel-bar-foo »

elil17 wrote: post #9

After reading the series "A Chemical Hunger" by the blog Slime Mold Time Mold, I'm pretty convinced that chemical contamination is a global-warming level threat to humanity. The authors talk about the evidence that chemicals released into the environment by human activity (such as PFAS) are causing obesity, and they present compelling evidence that this is plausible. They are also working on research to confirm this…

If the chemical contamination hypothesis were true, one would expect obesity to correlate with/lag industrial activity/contamination. I'm not sure that this is true. Obesity in Europe didn't start going up until the early 2000s, when Europe was transitioning to a more service-based economy. In Korea it has become a problem in the last 5 years (again, as the country deindustrializes), and in China it seems to be mostly a problem of the wealthy rather than a problem of the poor factory worker (and the factory worker is presumably exposed to more industrial contaminants).

That said, I have not yet read the SMTM piece, or looked at SMTM's data.

Re: 3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Post by [deleted] »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #65
goodpoint wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: why people obsess over Volkswagen? Other companies are even worst offenders. See chart: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal

Fair criticism. It was VW's "off-the-chart" emissions that led investigators and regulators to review the claims of all other manufacturers. [0] So it is natural that the media focus on that manufacturer. [0] https://www.autoevolution.com/news/meet-the-engineer-who-exp...

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Re: 3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Post by MomoXenosaga »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #24
elil17 wrote: post #9

After reading the series "A Chemical Hunger" by the blog Slime Mold Time Mold, I'm pretty convinced that chemical contamination is a global-warming level threat to humanity. The authors talk about the evidence that chemicals released into the environment by human activity (such as PFAS) are causing obesity, and they present compelling evidence that this is plausible. They are also working on research to confirm this…

When my mother moved in and we went on daily walks, she lost a pound a week for a year. Her entirely sedentary lifestyle (and that of most Americans I know) is a major factor for her obesity. Standing is now considered exercise it has gotten so bad. But people will blame anything instead of taking action, so…

People hate exercise so much they prefer expensive diets.

If you don't burn the calories you eat, no matter how few they may be, you will never lose weight.

Re: 3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Post by BizarroLand »

PuppyTailWags wrote: post #48
mensetmanusman wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When my mother moved in and we went on daily walks, she lost a pound a week for a year. Her entirely sedentary lifestyle (and that of most Americans I know) is a major factor for her obesity. Standing is now considered exercise it has gotten so bad. But people will blame anything instead of taking action, so…

I'm pretty sure daily walks (no heart rate elevation, not HIIT, no muscle being built, etc.) didn't contribute significantly to your mother's weight loss. Moving around is not a significant contributor to weight loss[1]. Diet is the most significant contributing factor to gaining or losing weight. Moving in with someone new, new environment, new dietary changes, etc. might've done significantly more. 1. https://www.n…

Also, women seem to lose more weight from walking than men do.

(I do apologize as my response was based on a science article that I read not too long ago but I cannot find it to substantiate my claim)

Re: 3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Post by mensetmanusman »

MomoXenosaga wrote: post #96
mensetmanusman wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When my mother moved in and we went on daily walks, she lost a pound a week for a year. Her entirely sedentary lifestyle (and that of most Americans I know) is a major factor for her obesity. Standing is now considered exercise it has gotten so bad. But people will blame anything instead of taking action, so…

People hate exercise so much they prefer expensive diets. If you don't burn the calories you eat, no matter how few they may be, you will never lose weight.

That’s why I don’t call it exercise anymore.

Literally, it’s walking while reading your email on the phone. Find a beautiful spot in nature, take advantage of local rivers and beaches…

Lack of vitamin D due to low levels of sunlight exposure is very harmful…

Re: 3M’s PFAS Crisis Has Come to Europe

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Post by mensetmanusman »

elil17 wrote: post #88
windowsrookie wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weight loss is simply calories in - calories out. If she walked an hour a day and ate the same amount, she was burning around ~300 extra calories a day. Pretty sure her daily walks did contribute significantly to her weight loss.

Calories in - calories out fails to explain why people consume and expend as many calories as they do. As the series discusses, many calorie sinks such as fidgeting and body temperature are subconscious or autonomic and seem to be used by our bodies to help regulate our weight. And some people clearly have very strong hunger drives. Clearly something has changed over the past hundred years. Saying that we got richer…

Food scientist do engineer foods to make you want to eat more of it (and not feel full). It is hard to resist processed food technology.
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