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Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

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Post by happytoexplain »

reaperducer wrote: post #86
happytoexplain wrote: post #60

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I don't see that as tribalistic/negative language at all. However, I do see it in the unqualified assertion that left-wing people want "more mass immigration", which seems misleading and tangential to their actual desires (which seem to be more about treating immigrants better and allowing more cases of legitimate asylum seeking, rather than actively seeking "more" and "massive" immigration in the general case). Even…

I don't see that as tribalistic/negative language at all. Left wing is a tribe. Right wing is a tribe. Just like all the sportsball teams are tribes. Politics would work better if politicians, and their followers, worked for people, rather than their tribes.

Eh, labels are useful. I don't believe that saying "left/right wingers tend to X" means "the world is black and white" or "everybody is left/right wing and that's all you need to know about them". It's how you use labels that matters. And yeah, a label can get misused so bad that it loses its usefulness in honest discussion, but I think "left/right-wing" is far from that death. It carries too much useful meaning when thoughtfully applied.

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

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Post by gnulinux »

alangibson wrote: post #74
mtnGoat wrote: post #61

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Always remember there are many sides to most stories. I have a cousin who works at an Amazon warehouse and loves it, he says it’s the funnest and most rewarding job he has had. He’s in his late 40s and has worked all kinda of jobs. His schedule allows him a lot of work life balance, he knows exactly what is expected of him and advancement is possible and also easy to understand. In fact he said he doesn’t understand…

And he'll think that until one day they can him for missing work due to a health issue. This is why I find a lack of solidarity between working people to be somewhere between selfish and disgusting.

Exactly, it means nothing to me when some workers say they're ok with their job when I see evidence dozens upon dozens of their coworkers are abused. It means nothing because I have no reason to assume they won't turn back on their employers once they have a conflict as well. It merely signals a lack of solidarity and nothing else.

Re: Leaked Amazon memo warns the company is running out of people to hire

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Post by russh »

azemetre wrote: post #31
crikeyjoe wrote: post #8

There's no shortage of workers, there's a shortage of workers wanting to work for Amazon.

It's kind of interesting because Amazon has built a reputation for being absolutely ruthless to their workers (not just delivery or warehouse). You have the notorious NYT article from 2015 (the article mentions this): https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-... The online perception is that it has only gotten worse. It doesn't take much to find stories on teamblind, twitter, reddit, or even hacker…

I have a friend that works in an Amazon data center and he describes the work environment as “Have you seen any of the hunger games movies?”

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Post by duxup »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #78
duxup wrote: post #57

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>I don't understand the distinction you're making between "any immigration" and "mass immigration". Because the amount matters? If we talk about the impact of migration the amount certainly plays into what if any impact occurs. It really seems like you're stuck on a sort of rhetorical talking point phrase.

Sure, but what's the argument? "The left wants some immigration, but not a lot"? Because we already have "some" immigration, so presumably they want more immigration, and presumably they oppose constraining that immigration by education level or wealth or etc, hence "mass". In other words, "mass" doesn't refer to an amount, but a lack of filtration/selection/etc. Note also that this isn't even an inherently bad thing…

I don't know what you mean by "what's the argument"?

Policies and the impact (something that should hopefully inform a policy) are more nuanced than just "mass migration" "more migration" and so on. Your understanding seems entirely disconnected from actual policy.

I can't possibly explain something that is going to be different from person to person or politician to politician, even more so if for you it only ends up being categorized in weird generalities that read like they're someone else's rhetoric skewed talking points / loaded phrases. I don't think you can expect to understand something if you just generalize in that way.

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Post by giardini »

_dqna wrote: post #41
throwaway894345 wrote: post #15

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I hadn't really thought before about how left-wing folks typically want higher wages as well as more mass immigration which inherently suppresses wages. In their defense, they want raises waged by law rather than by market (an elevated minimum wage would raise wages irrespective of immigration), but considering how unlikely a minimum federal wage hike is, it seems like they're pursuing two contradictory goals. EDIT:…

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0daystock wrote: post #65
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I see you get the entirety of your understanding of history and poltics from an actor with alzheimer's. Maybe you could expand your sources a bit to see that this is a lot less true than you imply.

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Post by throwaway894345 »

Spooky23 wrote: post #35
throwaway894345 wrote: post #15

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I hadn't really thought before about how left-wing folks typically want higher wages as well as more mass immigration which inherently suppresses wages. In their defense, they want raises waged by law rather than by market (an elevated minimum wage would raise wages irrespective of immigration), but considering how unlikely a minimum federal wage hike is, it seems like they're pursuing two contradictory goals. EDIT:…

Likewise, I’ve always found it amusing that right wing business guys pay lip service to being against illegal immigration, yet they move their meat packing plants to nowhere-ville.

"use illegal immigration for meat packing" isn't a broadly-held right-wing position, it's something certain unprincipled business owners do (and I'm not even sure that they're universally right-wing). In contrast, "increasing wages" and "increasing mass immigration" are broadly-held left-wing positions. Again, this doesn't suggest incoherence on the left.

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Post by dymk »

encrux wrote: post #46

Surely at some point the market will just regulate itself and amazon will have to improve working conditions to keep operations running... Right? Isn't that how capitalism is supposed to work?

That’s what’s happening. Walmart is paying warehouse workers $25/hr and Amazon is losing workers to them.

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Post by giardini »

reaperducer wrote: post #18
throwaway894345 wrote: post #15

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I hadn't really thought before about how left-wing folks typically want higher wages as well as more mass immigration which inherently suppresses wages. In their defense, they want raises waged by law rather than by market (an elevated minimum wage would raise wages irrespective of immigration), but considering how unlikely a minimum federal wage hike is, it seems like they're pursuing two contradictory goals. EDIT:…

I hadn't really thought before about how left-wing folks Can't HN be the one place on the internet that isn't sullied by tribalism?

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