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Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by samwillis »

space_ghost wrote: post #29
wolframhempel wrote: post #10

I started my career 2008 building real estate and stock news websites. Back then, sooooo much of my days were spent making things "IE compatible" using techniques like: - creating sprite sheets of transparent png corners and sides that one could arrange in a table around an element to create drop-shadows and rounded corners - putting single pixel, transparent gifs at the end of floated containers because clearfix use…

I strongly remember using Firebug in Firefox (mind-blowing tools, for the time) in ~2008 and having to debug issues in IE, which had the equivalent of a Check Engine Light for debugging.

So true, debugging with alert()…

There was Firebug Light, which from memory was a bookmarklet that injected a cut down firebug into the page, but even that didn’t help much.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by tablespoon »

currysausage wrote: post #48
logifail wrote: post #28

Q: What about the Internet Explorer versions that shipped in the Windows 10 LTSC[0], most (all?) of which are very much still "in support"[1]? [0] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/ltsc/ [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/faq/windows#what-...

Ctrl+F is your friend: "For certain versions of Windows currently in-support and used in critical environments, we will continue to support Internet Explorer on those versions until they go out of support. These include all currently in-support Windows 10 LTSC releases (including IoT) and all Windows Server versions, as well as Windows 10 China Government Edition, Windows 8.1, and Windows 7 with Extended Security Upd…

> Windows 10 China Government Edition

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/05/23/annou...:

> The Windows 10 China Government Edition is based on Windows 10 Enterprise Edition, which already includes many of the security, identity, deployment, and manageability features governments and enterprises need. The China Government Edition will use these manageability features to remove features that are not needed by Chinese government employees like OneDrive, to manage all telemetry and updates, and to enable the government to use its own encryption algorithms within its computer systems.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by wakeupcall »

open-paren wrote: post #34

I argue that moving it “out of support” doesn't mean anything for what browsers you have to support. Users and businesses still using IE11 aren't exactly those that are on the top of their IT policy game, so I doubt they will be jumping when the browser is “no longer supported by Microsoft.”

You can now brag that the software is out of support.

Which yeah, doesn't mean absolutely anything for existing software that is still working and requires the old version to run. If by any chanche you need to support that configuration, the "official" deprecation simply means "good luck!" and a pat on the back.

Just like XP, I've seen plenty of shops with custom software that still requires XP+IE6+activex that still get active development, because a total rewrite is out of the question when changes are small (and that is totally understandable as well).

The poor folks though will need to containerize and isolate everything from any network though to keep it somewhat safer. If they do that at all.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by yamazakiwi »

phpisthebest wrote: post #45
open-paren wrote: post #34

I argue that moving it “out of support” doesn't mean anything for what browsers you have to support. Users and businesses still using IE11 aren't exactly those that are on the top of their IT policy game, so I doubt they will be jumping when the browser is “no longer supported by Microsoft.”

A couple of weeks back and edge update forced many many many users to Edge earlier than expected, if your tried to launch iexplorer.exe it would go to edge instead IEMode in Edge also works very well So if these companies are getting windows updates at all, or edge updates at all is somewhat not optional

I have a friend who works for a VA Hospital and they've switched as of yesterday. So we know the DOD/VA is at least switching off old IE8/IE10 Apps.

The funny part is the app they use still works, you're just forced to run it in compatibility mode on Edge (Holy, I forgot this existed) but their user profiles have limited access so they can't right-click, properties, unless they have admin priv.

New browser, same old 2009 problems. Obviously this is not the browsers fault, it's just insane to hear about shops like this that still hold on to legacy apps FOREVER.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by layer8 »

Liquid_Fire wrote: post #83
layer8 wrote: post #49

I’ve still been using IE11 up to now by default (for the websites it still renders adequately, with Firefox as a fallback — there’s a “Open current page in Firefox” add-in), for the following reasons: - crisper and higher-contrast font rendering on low-DPI monitors - Ctrl+N/Ctrl+K clone the current tab into a new window/tab including its history, letting you “fork” the tab and effectively navigate a history tree. Edi…

> - Ctrl+N/Ctrl+K clone the current tab into a new window/tab including its history, letting you “fork” the tab and effectively navigate a history tree. You can do this in Firefox by middle (or Control) clicking the Reload button.

Unfortunately there is no keyboard shortcut, and no option to open it in a new window (which is what I usually want). Also, what I initially forgot to mention, opening a link in new window/tab in IE also clones the history.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by mrtksn »

traveler01 wrote: post #90
mrtksn wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple forces you to use the rendering engine, not the browser. You can download Chrome to your iPhone. Anyway, that's not the point. IE wasn't bad because it was a shitty browser. It was bad because it had features that other browsers did not have and it was very popular because it was very innovative and it was heavily marketed. This resulted in websites being made for IE only, which resulted in a lockdown of huge u…

I don't agree with you and as a developer I find way more issues with Safari than with Chrome/Firefox/Edge. Also, what matters in a browser it's the engine. If it's always WebKit and you find a issue or something else in iOS you can switch the browser but the result will always be the same since Chrome and Firefox are forced to use WebKit. Chrome's engine it's Chromium which is open-source and used by other browsers…

Okay, check out Microsoft's Embrace, Extend, Exterminate strategy and I hope you understand what's the problem of having a dominant platform that does it's own thing instead of abiding by the standards. Now Chrome is in the "Extend" stage and obviously you don't feel any pain but if Google chooses to take another step, then you will feel it.

Maybe they never will do it but I simply don't want Google has the option to go to the next step.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by kingcharles »

tablespoon wrote: post #92
currysausage wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ctrl+F is your friend: "For certain versions of Windows currently in-support and used in critical environments, we will continue to support Internet Explorer on those versions until they go out of support. These include all currently in-support Windows 10 LTSC releases (including IoT) and all Windows Server versions, as well as Windows 10 China Government Edition, Windows 8.1, and Windows 7 with Extended Security Upd…

> Windows 10 China Government Edition https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/05/23/annou... : > The Windows 10 China Government Edition is based on Windows 10 Enterprise Edition, which already includes many of the security, identity, deployment, and manageability features governments and enterprises need. The China Government Edition will use these manageability features to remove features that are not need…

LOL. That's the first time I've heard of that. I thought I had access to all Windows 10 versions, but that one's not on my access list. Includes its own special encryption algorithms. Oh boy!

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by dheerajvs »

wolframhempel wrote: post #10

I started my career 2008 building real estate and stock news websites. Back then, sooooo much of my days were spent making things "IE compatible" using techniques like: - creating sprite sheets of transparent png corners and sides that one could arrange in a table around an element to create drop-shadows and rounded corners - putting single pixel, transparent gifs at the end of floated containers because clearfix use…

I won't be able to celebrate for a long time to come. I have to support running an Outlook add-in in Outlook 2016 on Windows, which uses the IE11 rendering engine.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by skittleson »

wolframhempel wrote: post #10

I started my career 2008 building real estate and stock news websites. Back then, sooooo much of my days were spent making things "IE compatible" using techniques like: - creating sprite sheets of transparent png corners and sides that one could arrange in a table around an element to create drop-shadows and rounded corners - putting single pixel, transparent gifs at the end of floated containers because clearfix use…

I remembered these days as well. There wasn't a lot of resources out their either. Getting everything pixel perfect was the goal. HTML emails were extra tricky since they displayed differently in each client.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 has retired and is officially out of support

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

neatze wrote: post #18

Windows Server should be retired next, arguably, if MS would focus on making UI and Dev tools for Linux instead of Windows and nothing else, it will be better off.

Have you seen Microsoft's latest work on UIs? They're less responsive, less readable, less discoverable, and less functional than anything that came out of the IE era.

Not that GNOME is any better, suffering as it does from the same tabletitis disease that has infected today's UI designers.

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