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Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by raducu »

uejfiweun wrote: post #72
buildbot wrote: post #4

The next 5 years could be very interesting and sad if it turns out that COVID has lasting, long term damaging effects on your organs and vascular system, we are just beginning to see the tip of the iceberg. For example, there is an extremely serious post covid multi-system organ inflammation that occurs in children : https://www.cdc.gov/mis/mis-c.html Watch, I bet we will even see a huge jump in rare cancers. Edit: A…

As a counterpoint I got omicron in Jan and it was extremely mild. One day of fever and fatigue and I was back to normal. No lingering effects at all. I honestly think the hysteria over long covid is rather harmful in of itself, because now you have a lot of people with a sort of placebo effect. For instance, feeling tired and ascribing that to a permanent affliction of long covid rather than the 3 hours of sleep you…

I got the original COVID and it felt very mild. Except I nearly passed out when I helped another patient in the hospital (the poor guy was obese, was on oxigen and they placed him near a window with no blinds and no AC, I had to improvise a blind from some bed sheets) from very mild excertion. And about a month afterwards I had a couple of episodes of vertigo. And then the tinitus started and I still get it two years in. And then half of my penis and testicle hurt when orgasming (thankfully that resolved).

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by raducu »

tsol wrote: post #45
buildbot wrote: post #4

The next 5 years could be very interesting and sad if it turns out that COVID has lasting, long term damaging effects on your organs and vascular system, we are just beginning to see the tip of the iceberg. For example, there is an extremely serious post covid multi-system organ inflammation that occurs in children : https://www.cdc.gov/mis/mis-c.html Watch, I bet we will even see a huge jump in rare cancers. Edit: A…

I don't think this is deserving of being grayed out. There certainly do seem to be some lingering systemic effects for some people that have recovered from covid, and for some people those effects are very serious. Cancers, though, seem like a stretch. I don't see any reason to think covid would cause that. It's lingering tiredness that really seems to be common among those who have been infected

Wasn't it at some point that the greatest risk factor for a heart attack was if you got the flu in the past?

Why wouldn't a virus that's 10-100 times more deadly not have serious long term effects?

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by logicchains »

elric wrote: post #46
GenerocUsername wrote: post #21

In my experience, creeping unexplainable crashes are usually caused by recent releases which didn't receive enough testing. Sometimes these bugs go unnoticed by teams without sufficient monitoring. Have there been any major updates or releases 'across unconnected demographics' in the last year or two? If I was trying to solve this in my production systems, I would focus my investigation there

Sure, let's blame vaccines in a funny roundabout way, while conveniently ignoring the more probable cause that is COVID. The article seems to suggest that underreported COVID deaths are a likely explanation. You might want to consider broadening the scope of your investigation to include probable causes ...

>Sure, let's blame vaccines in a funny roundabout way, while conveniently ignoring the more probable cause that is COVID.

For heart issues in young males at least the more probable cause is actually the vaccine, as per this paper in Nature: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-10928-z

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by native_samples »

elric wrote: post #46
GenerocUsername wrote: post #21

In my experience, creeping unexplainable crashes are usually caused by recent releases which didn't receive enough testing. Sometimes these bugs go unnoticed by teams without sufficient monitoring. Have there been any major updates or releases 'across unconnected demographics' in the last year or two? If I was trying to solve this in my production systems, I would focus my investigation there

Sure, let's blame vaccines in a funny roundabout way, while conveniently ignoring the more probable cause that is COVID. The article seems to suggest that underreported COVID deaths are a likely explanation. You might want to consider broadening the scope of your investigation to include probable causes ...

Vaccines are by far the most likely cause. Consider this graph of people claiming disability benefits in the USA vs the vaccine rollout:

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_...

Note that it correlates with the start of the vaccine rollout, not the start of COVID. The idea expressed above that it's all "long COVID" doesn't make much sense given that fact.

At this point it's very hard to see how it can be under-reported COVID deaths because Omicron mutated to become so much milder. The vaccines however generate large quantities of the more potent Wuhan 2019 spike.

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by logicchains »

fastaguy88 wrote: post #62
SoftTalker wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it fair to entertain speculation about underreported deaths and all kinds of long-tail effects of COVID the disease, but not fair to do the same speculation about the vaccines?

Because we know that Covid kills people (more than a million in the US), and there is very little evidence that Covid vaccines have killed people ( likely fewer than 100 deaths in the US).

>Because we know that Covid kills people (more than a million in the US), and there is very little evidence that Covid vaccines have killed people

The US VAERS vaccine adverse reporting system reports over ten thousand deaths post covid-vaccine, over two orders of magnitude more than reported for previous vaccines (including the flu vaccines which half of Americans take annually). Now, this does not imply causation, only autopsies can determine that, but for some reason in the US autopsies have not been done. In Germany, renowned pathologist Dr. Peter Schirmacher (acting chairman of the German Society of Pathology, director of the Institute of Pathology at Heidelberg University Hospital, and president of the German Association for the Study of the Liver) did conduct such autopsies, and found that 30-40% of the deaths following soon after vaccination were indeed caused by the vaccine.

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by logicchains »

VerminOctopus1 wrote: post #69
lostlogin wrote: post #65

Quoted post unavailable.

There is a very strong anti-vax contingent on this website. It’s unfortunate given that you’d think appreciation for science and healthy, well reasoned skepticism would come naturally for technical professionals. Guess not.

>well reasoned skepticism would come naturally for technical professionals.

It's not well-reasoned skepticism to question the safety of a vaccine for which every vaccine adverse event reporting database reports two orders of magnitude more adverse events than previous vaccines? https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-10928-z would you call Nature an anti-vax journal?

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by b3nji »

buildbot wrote: post #4

The next 5 years could be very interesting and sad if it turns out that COVID has lasting, long term damaging effects on your organs and vascular system, we are just beginning to see the tip of the iceberg. For example, there is an extremely serious post covid multi-system organ inflammation that occurs in children : https://www.cdc.gov/mis/mis-c.html Watch, I bet we will even see a huge jump in rare cancers. Edit: A…

And for all these people saying that the mRNA vaccines could be anything to do with it is absolute nonsense. Yes, Pfizer had some questionable data released during their trial, but show me a vaccine that hasn't had side effects?

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by native_samples »

fastaguy88 wrote: post #62
SoftTalker wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it fair to entertain speculation about underreported deaths and all kinds of long-tail effects of COVID the disease, but not fair to do the same speculation about the vaccines?

Because we know that Covid kills people (more than a million in the US), and there is very little evidence that Covid vaccines have killed people ( likely fewer than 100 deaths in the US).

Sadly there is lots of evidence that vaccines can kill people. Obviously, there's the primary reports from people saying "the vaccine killed someone I know" and the medical experts denying everything, e.g this 29 year old man:

e.g. https://openvaers.com/covid-data/covid-reports/2251260

"On 06-Feb-2022, the patient received the 3rd vaccination with this vaccine. Pyrexia of 39 degrees Celsius developed. The patient took loxoprofen sodium hydrate, and the symptoms subsided. On 08-Feb-2022, around 20:00, the patient was confirmed as alive. Myocarditis developed. On 09-Feb-2022, at 07:00, the patient was found dead in the room. On an unknown date, autopsy was performed. No dissection was performed. The outcome of pyrexia was reported as resolved. The outcome of myocarditis was reported as fatal. Follow-up investigation will be made.

Company Comment: The events developed after the administration of ELASOMERAN and there is temporal relationship. Reporter's Comments: Since no electrocardiogram was performed during the medical examination, the condition of the heart is unknown. There is no lesion in the brain such as subarachnoid hemorrhage. As CT scan showed no remarkable findings, the causality between this vaccine and death is considered unknown."

(n.b. Elasomeran is the Moderna vaccine). There are ~28,000 like that in VAERS and more in other countries equivalents. The party line on these reports is they're all written by fools and things like a healthy 29 year old dying of myocarditis just days after taking a vaccine known to cause exactly that problem, is simply "unknown causality" and a coincidence that tells us nothing.

Unfortunately there's also the correlation with excess deaths.

https://bartram.substack.com/p/increased-deaths-in-england-f...

"I note that we managed to get through the Omicron wave in the UK with normal levels of excess deaths in those aged 75-85, but as soon as the booster doses were rolled out we rapidly hit the threshold for a ‘substantial increase’."

People who are trying to convince themselves and others that this is all just mysteriously undetectable COVID need to explain why the correlations are wrong.

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by native_samples »

VerminOctopus1 wrote: post #69
lostlogin wrote: post #65

Quoted post unavailable.

There is a very strong anti-vax contingent on this website. It’s unfortunate given that you’d think appreciation for science and healthy, well reasoned skepticism would come naturally for technical professionals. Guess not.

Healthy well reasoned skepticism is exactly what leads to "anti-(COVID)-vax sentiment", because the data is not good.

If you doubt that, just browse this thread with showdead turned on. The people pointing out that the vaccines could be causing this are all being killed. Probably this comment will be gone within minutes. Yet those comments are also providing evidence and citations. Meanwhile, the "pro-vax" comments are all like yours: merely wishing away people who disagree with no arguments or evidence.

So which side is truly the one with the appreciation for science and reason?

Re: Health minister: Unexplained high death counts in New Brunswick concerning

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Post by Cpoll »

GenerocUsername wrote: post #21

In my experience, creeping unexplainable crashes are usually caused by recent releases which didn't receive enough testing. Sometimes these bugs go unnoticed by teams without sufficient monitoring. Have there been any major updates or releases 'across unconnected demographics' in the last year or two? If I was trying to solve this in my production systems, I would focus my investigation there

I think the better metaphor might be patching a known day-zero exploit quickly instead of waiting for a full year test cycle (during which the full install-base is vulnerable).
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