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Re: Tell HN: Bitwarden does not export attachments in backups

#91

Post by jiveturkey »

webdog wrote: post #59

This is very salient, I just left some feedback related to lack of functionality, in their community forums yesterday. I bought a subscription to use Bitwarden against 1Password, trying to switch from 1P to BW. I dislike 1P's arrogant customer service (Read their community forums for about an hour, and look at many of the responses from staff regarding feature requests) and my attitude towards them really soured when…

Those 3 points are valid but not even the worst bits. It sounds like you are just griping about the switching cost issues, and didn't get much further than initial setup.

Once you actually try to use BW in earnest, you'll find it's noticeably worse than 1PW in most ways. The most glaring is that it is meh at detecting login forms and poor at detecting new account signup. These are the 2 primary flows for a pw manager! It's unforgivable. Other flaws aside, 1PW puts significant effort there and it shows.

> I truly, truly hope BW succeeds,

They've had quite long enough time already to do that. How long will you hold out hope?

I want to love BW so much. I never could get myself to look at KeePass. Anyway the primary use case I care about is sharing, not self-mgmt.

Re: Tell HN: Bitwarden does not export attachments in backups

#92

Post by jiveturkey »

mdaniel wrote: post #88
jiveturkey wrote: post #85

I don't think 1password does either? Anyone know for sure? I think they give you a separate attachments folder, but any item loses its association to any attachment.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31706068

thanks. does the json for the pw item itself, reference the attachment?

Re: Tell HN: Bitwarden does not export attachments in backups

#93

Post by hammyhavoc »

onetom wrote: post #79
hammyhavoc wrote: post #2

Wow, if true, this is a huge oversight.

It’s not something which you simply forget to think about. There must be a lot of features, which are more important, as in being requested for.

I must have been forgetting since I started using it over a year ago. The software itself doesn't warn about this quirk.

Re: Tell HN: Bitwarden does not export attachments in backups

#94

Post by adrianmonk »

I don't use Bitwarden, but I just read the docs about backups, which are here:

https://bitwarden.com/help/backup-on-premise/

Those say that the procedure for backups is to keep a copy of the entire bwdata directory. It doesn't say that you can or should use the export feature.

It seems like the export feature is meant for data migration, not for backups. Though they are related, they're not the same concept.

It probably wouldn't hurt to make this clearer in the GUI. In the export section, it could warn not to use it for backups and could give a link to the proper procedure.

Re: Tell HN: Bitwarden does not export attachments in backups

#95

Post by mdaniel »

jiveturkey wrote: post #92
mdaniel wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31706068

thanks. does the json for the pw item itself, reference the attachment?

They generally do a good job of documenting their file formats, and 1pux is no exception: https://support.1password.com/1pux-format/#files-folder

I was able to use their opvault specification as a clean-room implementation of a reader, so I can also attest that their docs are accurate, too

Re: Tell HN: Bitwarden does not export attachments in backups

#96

Post by weaksauce »

vbezhenar wrote: post #66
manmal wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is such a JSON file too big to use if it’s only ever handled by streaming parsers? SQLite would be a better backup format ofc.

AFAIK SQLite field limit is 2 GB, so if you're used to storing Blurays in your password database, that might be a limiting factor as well.

the maximum file size is smaller than 500MB so that's a moot point and not many people are going to be hitting that size limit in the first place... it is a password manager after all.

Re: Tell HN: Bitwarden does not export attachments in backups

#98

Post by TingPing »

jiveturkey wrote: post #91
webdog wrote: post #59

This is very salient, I just left some feedback related to lack of functionality, in their community forums yesterday. I bought a subscription to use Bitwarden against 1Password, trying to switch from 1P to BW. I dislike 1P's arrogant customer service (Read their community forums for about an hour, and look at many of the responses from staff regarding feature requests) and my attitude towards them really soured when…

Those 3 points are valid but not even the worst bits. It sounds like you are just griping about the switching cost issues, and didn't get much further than initial setup. Once you actually try to use BW in earnest, you'll find it's noticeably worse than 1PW in most ways. The most glaring is that it is meh at detecting login forms and poor at detecting new account signup. These are the 2 primary flows for a pw manager…

I've used BW for years and have never had issues detecting forms.

Re: Tell HN: Bitwarden does not export attachments in backups

#99

Post by Chad_King »

woojoo666 wrote: post #89
jdeibele wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for saying something about this. I make up answers to "security" questions like: first pet's name? Favorite teacher? and so on but that means that I have to record what the answer is. I've been doing that in the notes section for LastPass. I think that I'm going to have to move to doing it in the Notes app since that works on all my Apple devices. And it looks like I can lock one Note without having to lock…

Last I checked, notes are included in the export. This post is about attachments

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Re: Tell HN: Bitwarden does not export attachments in backups

#100

Post by moughxyz »

File backups need to be done in real time, otherwise backing up gigabytes of data on demand would be infeasible.

We recently released this feature for Standard Notes[0]. Files you upload to your account from any device are automatically encrypted and backed up to a local folder on your computer.

Granting companies full custody of your files today feels reckless; local backups are a must. And better it be encrypted.

[0]: https://standardnotes.com

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