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Re: Twitter Blocks Linking to Mastodon.social

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Post by sillysaurusx »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #24
sillysaurusx wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suppose you wanted to launch a new social network. Where would you get your users? Not being able to talk about it on existing social networks is basically a death sentence for growth. I saw it first hand.

> Where would you get your users? The 80+ percent of Americans who don't use Twitter might be a start [1][2]. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/2013/11/04/twitter-ne... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/970911/monetizable-daily...

Going door to door to recruit my users is an interesting idea. “Hi, I’m Shawn. I made this hacker news alternative…”

It might actually work in Chicago. They had a pretty active tech scene. Covid killed those mall adventures though.

Re: Twitter Blocks Linking to Mastodon.social

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Post by saurik »

tehlike wrote: post #69
saurik wrote: post #44

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Building systems that occasionally set themselves up for mistakes like this is the malice.

Please build a system with 100% availability under load and with no false positive. I'll wait.

> Please build a system with 100% availability under load and with no false positive. I'll wait.

Seriously? This is absolutely trivial: you don't build a system like this in the first place, as whatever is failing here--and 100% if it is a system actively designed to prevent people from posting links to their own timeline--isn't providing value: it is just a bigger surface in which there are going to be random bugs and false positives. I will thereby repeat: building systems that occasionally set themselves up for mistakes IS THE MALICE. I am not claiming that making a mistake is malicious, or that only malicious people make mistakes: we all make mistakes, so we should thereby do everything we can to limit our power and refuse to build systems that might fail.

(edit: I added a paragraph here but it came after a reply, so I moved that paragraph--without further edit--to my comment reply to that reply comment.)

Re: Twitter Blocks Linking to Mastodon.social

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Post by dewey »

TheDesolate0 wrote: post #75
dewey wrote: post #66

This is likely the same reason that sometimes links on FB can't be pasted. There's a spike in usage and some anti-spam mechanism blocks it. Which makes sense, but sometimes catches the wrong URL just like every spam filter. Give it a day, move along.

Delete tiwtter, move along. FTFY

Twitter is one of the platforms where you can still customize the experience pretty well. With custom lists and a third party client you can basically use it like an RSS reader if you want to.

Their API you can pretty much do anything pretty easily, especially now with the new V2 API that expose a lot of features that were not available through an API just a few months ago. For example Twitter Bookmarks.

I had a good experience using that a few months ago to build a service that sends you a weekly email of your Twitter bookmarks to your email inbox because I always forgot about them:

https://getbirdfeeder.com

Re: Twitter Blocks Linking to Mastodon.social

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Post by tehlike »

carapace wrote: post #84
tehlike wrote: post #26

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It's a bug but HN crowds like to talk about the evil corps all the time.

Do you remember the time that the "evil corps" conspired together to rip off their own developers to the tune of several billion dollars? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L... (The suit was filed against Adobe, Apple Inc., Google, Intel, Intuit, Pixar, Lucasfilm and eBay, but it turned out that "dozens" of other tech companies got involved as well (Pando Daily had good coverage https://web.a…

You are mixing one issue with another. I am making a very specific claim that this issue is not malice, either a system with false positive or a system that has a bug.

Re: Twitter Blocks Linking to Mastodon.social

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Post by tehlike »

mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #58
tehlike wrote: post #31

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That must be a hard life assuming things are working against you

Sounds like maybe fartcannon saw the anti-competitive things large companies have done in the past.

We all have.

But assuming everything is of that nature is what I am against.

Re: Twitter Blocks Linking to Mastodon.social

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Post by tehlike »

saurik wrote: post #92
tehlike wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please build a system with 100% availability under load and with no false positive. I'll wait.

> Please build a system with 100% availability under load and with no false positive. I'll wait. Seriously? This is absolutely trivial: you don't build a system like this in the first place , as whatever is failing here--and 100% if it is a system actively designed to prevent people from posting links to their own timeline--isn't providing value: it is just a bigger surface in which there are going to be random bugs…

Please do so. "Absolutely possible" is showing me you are way too confident of things and this usually is a sign you actually never done so.

Re: Twitter Blocks Linking to Mastodon.social

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Post by clumpthump »

fartcannon wrote: post #27
tehlike wrote: post #11

I bet it's likely a bug. There were times i wasnt able to post LinkedIn urls in the past. I bet it's their crawler/integrity service having hard time. Never assume malice when it can be sufficiently explained by a bug or incompetence.

Nowadays, maybe let's assume malice. Maybe its a false positive and a bunch of people stop using twitter, Facebook, google, apple, or Microsoft as a result. That is less harmful (some might say it's good) than the opposite, where big corps use our collective desire to forgive as a tool to exploit us. You can apply that saying to your wife and kids. Or your neighbour. Big corps that make money off exploiting peoples n…

Hanlon's Razor is, I believe, a good rule of thumb, but people keep using it in situations such as this one where it's not just potentially malice (wanting to harm someone for little other reason than wanting to see them hurt or wanting to hurt) but also greed/self-interest. Hanlon's Razor as stated makes sense to me. I see a lot more stupidity in the world than I see people wanting to hurt for no other reason. But greed? I see a lot of that.

Re: Twitter Blocks Linking to Mastodon.social

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Post by timcavel »

tehlike wrote: post #31
fartcannon wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nowadays, maybe let's assume malice. Maybe its a false positive and a bunch of people stop using twitter, Facebook, google, apple, or Microsoft as a result. That is less harmful (some might say it's good) than the opposite, where big corps use our collective desire to forgive as a tool to exploit us. You can apply that saying to your wife and kids. Or your neighbour. Big corps that make money off exploiting peoples n…

That must be a hard life assuming things are working against you

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Re: Twitter Blocks Linking to Mastodon.social

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Post by lapcat »

mypalmike wrote: post #90
lapcat wrote: post #74

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Except, how many government owned companies are there in the US? What's the point in saying "private company" if 99.99+% of companies are private?

Twitter is a company. Is that statement sufficient to stop further nitpicking?

I think there's a kind of ideology behind the phrase that personifies companies, giving them "rights" that become even more important than individual human rights. And there's the weird idea that companies can do whatever they want, despite the mountains of government regulation of corporate behavior.

Almost every use of "private company" is in contrast to a publicly traded company. Except when people start talking about "rights", and then they're apparently using it in a different way, which I find very odd and ideological.

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