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Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by mc32 »

saalweachter wrote: post #69
turtledove wrote: post #50

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Putting someone in a hallway might technically meet the requirement of having a desk, but not the spirit of having a desk.

And while I know everyone is into breaking regulations, both fire codes (for density and exit corridors) and OSHA (for number of employees per toilet) limit the number of desks in an office.

Enter: Open plan offices!

I love how now they are justifiably out of fashion when just a few years ago only staid companies had cubicles or offices!

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by chasd00 »

alkonaut wrote: post #24
that_guy_iain wrote: post #11

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Well, that happened yesterday and is probably part of their process of reducing numbers by 10%. It's better if they quit than if they're laid off.

Except if yo lay off 10% you get to cut (at least some of) the 10% you want to get rid off. And if you rely on persuading people to quit by reducing satisfaction, you'll get rid of a large chunk of the 10% best employees instead.

It would seem to me any time a 10% layoff is announced you can expect another 10% to leave over the next year. Smart people will see the writing on the wall and they always have a couple recruiters in their back pocket. Employers would want to layoff the bottom 10% obviously but they're going to shed serious talent too as they get the full court press from recruiters.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by lapcat »

0daystock wrote: post #74
lapcat wrote: post #45

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> You act like exploitation of employees is exclusive to Tesla, or even the tech industry. Where did the OP say or imply that?

The part where he complains that an exchange of 50 hours of labor for compensation at the top 5% of the world is somehow unfair or abusive, and is otherwise surprised by the concept of at-will employment.

> surprised by the concept of at-will employment

I seriously doubt the OP was surprised by the concept of at-will employment. What the OP said was "Anyone that works 50 hr weeks for this dude is out of their mind." In other words, they are doing it voluntarily, but it's still a bad idea for them, maybe even delusional.

If you've ever had a bad exit from an employer, you start to rethink the sacrifices you made for the employer while you were there.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by fnordpiglet »

kylecordes wrote: post #51
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #17

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The thing is, Tesla isn't a Coinbase. Tesla is now a giant manufacturing company that makes a lot of things, brings in revenue, and has some really solid engineering. I don't like their cars from a UX standpoint, but the engineering in their motors and battery packs are solid good products. Move fast and break things might have been fine in the early days. Seems to me like the company needs to 'grow up' and demonstra…

I agree with the spirit of this; but… This specific pattern, switching suddenly from "thousands of open positions" to “freeze and maybe layoffs” is typical for large large, mature, professionally managed companies.

But not because the CEO fired off an email based on his gut feeling about the economy. That’s wacky.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by ghaff »

Silhouette wrote: post #48
that_guy_iain wrote: post #14

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I think it's not legally the same thing. Since doing things to get people to quit have to be larger than you need to work at your place of employment. It's moving them across the country, making them work unsocialable hours, etc. Not returning to the office, which the goverment actually wants. Remote work is bad for the economy.

Remote work is bad for the economy. I've seen this claim a few times now. Are we actually sure it's true? Or does it just shift long-term spending trends? For example maybe people don't go to lots of inner city coffee bars in business districts any more but local cafes near residential areas are thriving. Maybe people don't stop in big stores on their way home from work but home delivery services are thriving. Maybe…

It's probably bad for cities in general, whether inner city coffee bars or office (and probably residential) real estate. And that may (or may not) be bad for people who want to live in cities.

My observation though based just on traffic patterns is that debates about remote work are something of a bubble at this point. When I've had to go into the relatively nearby city a couple times lately rush hour traffic seemed as bad as ever although train/subway seemed relatively light.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by sitkack »

lr wrote: post #81
kochindustries wrote: post #40

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This is Tesla, office workers will soon find themselves working in a tent.

Why not WFT: Work From (a) Tesla? Of course, it would have to be, "at the office," (read, parking lot) otherwise the worker would get fired.

And since the Teslas are self driving, they can just roam the public roads while people work, an endless TS (Tesla Stream) cycling between two superchargers.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by numbsafari »

massysett wrote: post #79
procgen wrote: post #65

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Is remote work hammering the economy? What effect does it actually have on productivity?

It's keeping a lot of people at home who otherwise would be in downtowns or suburban office districts buying lunch, having clothes drycleaned, stopping in stores, buying gas, etc.

Because what the economy needs right now is… more demand?

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by cainxinth »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #36
kenferry wrote: post #28

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When people say “no desk” what they mean is “no space in the building to allocate a desk”.

When people say "no space in the building to allocate a desk” they mean "No space to neatly put a desk." Companies have often shown repeatedly they can force desks into rooms when needed. Anyways, they can and will buy office space to put the desks when needed.

I once spent a summer internship working at desk and computer they put in the nook next to soda and chip vending machines. Got to say hi to everyone at snack time.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by dzhiurgis »

itsoktocry wrote: post #58
that_guy_iain wrote: post #41

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I agree I don't think it'll be 2007-2008 bad. I think it'll be worse. Covid, Ukraine, Remote Work, etc are all hammering the economy.

> bad. I think it'll be worse. Different. 2007/08 was a financial crisis, and global banking infrastructure almost imploded. Here we're talking about deglobalization, supply chain issues and, well, a war . What's interesting is that the main problems may not be US focussed, it may happen around the world (although no one will be safe). For example, hard to imagine the Canadian real estate sector isn't going to melt d…

Far from economist, but I kinda agree. Finance is like 6x larger than real economy hence it really rules the world.

That said, wonder what's going to happen with cost of living and property market going thru the roof everywhere. Riots? Ain't got time for that when you need to feed yourself.

Re: Tesla to Cut 10% of Jobs

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Post by Symmetry »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #36
kenferry wrote: post #28

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When people say “no desk” what they mean is “no space in the building to allocate a desk”.

When people say "no space in the building to allocate a desk” they mean "No space to neatly put a desk." Companies have often shown repeatedly they can force desks into rooms when needed. Anyways, they can and will buy office space to put the desks when needed.

And am I the only person who has been in a startup going through a "two people per desk" period when growing rapidly?
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