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Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Post by paulryanrogers »

shadowgovt wrote: post #70
my69thaccount wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's too bad. If you didn't make that call it would probably have larger market share. What you've done actually feeds in to the problem.

But that's the issue. It's not my problem. My problem is maximizing the user experience for most of my users, and that involves squashing usability bugs common to all browsers and adding features that have been requested, not keeping up with the Gecko quirks-du-jour. (Speaking of "quirks-du-jour", the problem eventually "solved itself." The next major iteration of Firefox fixed a rendering regression and resolved the…

So a tragedy of the commons?

See it is your problem to offer something to the general public then serve only the defacto monopolist instead of web standards. Because with each small compromise we each contribute to the problem until it reaches a breaking point. All the while those on the margins suffer, some with no real alternative.

For ex in poorer areas where they cannot afford a computer that runs Chrome (which has no LTS/ESR).

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Post by Semaphor »

robonerd wrote: post #86
mynameisvlad wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to trust a whole lot of companies to get onto and use the Internet. Or just use everyday technology. I don't see why this is different.

> You have to trust a whole lot of companies to get onto and use the Internet. Obviously, I wouldn't dream of asserting otherwise. My point is that for the vast majority of the population, a paragraph of technogibberish about cryptography doesn't fundamentally change anything, you're still reliant on trust. To most people, that paragraph is worth about as much as a basic promise. The worth of that statement is derive…

I searched around a bit, and the only thing I found was the EFF not complaining about it when mentioning it while talking about something else [0]:

> This proposal is based on Privacy Pass, a privacy-preserving and frustration-reducing alternative to CAPTCHAs.

So I guess that’s good-ish?

[0]: https://www.eff.org/tr/deeplinks/2019/08/dont-play-googles-p...

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Post by lwthiker »

detritus wrote: post #24
Aachen wrote: post #2

I mean, with that market share, popularity among open source fans... it's an easy group to target and filter oddballs. I'm a Firefox user and I'm used to this treatment at every step of the way, no matter if it's about software, airports, opening a bank account so I can receive a salary, etc. Fundamental things everyone wants to do are being made hard to do the right way. It's always anti privacy, anti self repair, a…

Really? I'm a firefox user too and whilst I occasionally bump into some situation as you describe where I need to hop onto Chrome, I genuinely can't remember the last time this happened. Nope, actually - sometime last year, with some poorly-coded gig ticket purchase thing, if I remember right. I was able to check the code and amend some stupid niggle in WebDev tools to get around it. Not saying I should have to accep…

For a while now I can't even access WhatsApp Web [1] through Firefox. It gets stuck on the loading page and keeps refreshing itself forever. I have to resort to Chrome whenever I need WhatsApp on my laptop.

[1] https://web.whatsapp.com

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Post by lowwave »

dingleberry420 wrote: post #28
shaicoleman wrote: post #8

A workaround is to install the Privacy Pass extension to bypass the captchas [1] [2] It's an open source extension available for Chrome and Firefox. It allows to privately identify you're human, and is the process of going through IETF standardisation, so hopefully someday you won't need to install an extension for it. After you complete a captcha once, you won't need to do it again for a long time. I'm not happy abo…

Deanonymizing yourself just to appease cloudflare is not a valid solution. Any website should work in any browser out of the box. If they don't, the website is broken.

>Deanonymizing yourself just to appease cloudflare is not a valid solution. Any website should work in any browser out of the box. If they don't, the website is broken.

I totally agree with you. I think maybe an upper limit per ip (maybe a bit higher for tor ips) would be need to prevent DoS type attacks.

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Post by creatonez »

lwthiker wrote: post #93
detritus wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? I'm a firefox user too and whilst I occasionally bump into some situation as you describe where I need to hop onto Chrome, I genuinely can't remember the last time this happened. Nope, actually - sometime last year, with some poorly-coded gig ticket purchase thing, if I remember right. I was able to check the code and amend some stupid niggle in WebDev tools to get around it. Not saying I should have to accep…

For a while now I can't even access WhatsApp Web [1] through Firefox. It gets stuck on the loading page and keeps refreshing itself forever. I have to resort to Chrome whenever I need WhatsApp on my laptop. [1] https://web.whatsapp.com

If anyone finds a solution it would be greatly appreciated. I have been cut off from a huge number of sites due to infinitely refreshing cloudflare.

It's absurd that this is even possible. They should at least provide troubleshooting advice for end users.

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Post by deknos »

detritus wrote: post #24
Aachen wrote: post #2

I mean, with that market share, popularity among open source fans... it's an easy group to target and filter oddballs. I'm a Firefox user and I'm used to this treatment at every step of the way, no matter if it's about software, airports, opening a bank account so I can receive a salary, etc. Fundamental things everyone wants to do are being made hard to do the right way. It's always anti privacy, anti self repair, a…

Really? I'm a firefox user too and whilst I occasionally bump into some situation as you describe where I need to hop onto Chrome, I genuinely can't remember the last time this happened. Nope, actually - sometime last year, with some poorly-coded gig ticket purchase thing, if I remember right. I was able to check the code and amend some stupid niggle in WebDev tools to get around it. Not saying I should have to accep…

i do not experience as much as your pre-poster, but i also experience it. "just use chrome"

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Post by bencollier49 »

detritus wrote: post #24
Aachen wrote: post #2

I mean, with that market share, popularity among open source fans... it's an easy group to target and filter oddballs. I'm a Firefox user and I'm used to this treatment at every step of the way, no matter if it's about software, airports, opening a bank account so I can receive a salary, etc. Fundamental things everyone wants to do are being made hard to do the right way. It's always anti privacy, anti self repair, a…

Really? I'm a firefox user too and whilst I occasionally bump into some situation as you describe where I need to hop onto Chrome, I genuinely can't remember the last time this happened. Nope, actually - sometime last year, with some poorly-coded gig ticket purchase thing, if I remember right. I was able to check the code and amend some stupid niggle in WebDev tools to get around it. Not saying I should have to accep…

About once or twice a month I come across a site which hasn't been tested properly on Firefox and a flow of some sort doesn't work. The most recent was accessing scientific papers via a journal and academic society login. The redirect was broken on FF. Oh, and Facebook. Although that seems broken in various ways on all the browsers. Pretty remarkable.

Re: Firefox appears to be flagged as suspicious by Cloudflare

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Post by prdonahue »

(I’m responsible for Cloudflare’s L7 security products)

While we can’t comment on the specifics of any customer configuration, we do not block or challenge Firefox by default—either with our Bot Management products or with any other L7 security controls.

You can confirm this by signing up a free zone and making a request from Firefox.

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