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Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

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Re: Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitcoin alone was apparently given a market cap of over 2 trillion recently. That’s roughly the entire GDP of France. If France’s economy poofed out of existence or halved in value, that’d be a huge shake up.

Consider also that Bitcoin already halved in value in recent months without having the impact of half of a France getting bombed out of existence. ;)

But still up at least 400-500% if you bought any time up until COVID hit. ;)

Re: Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

#92
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Would someone mind calming me by explaining why this is not a huge red flag, this isn’t the beginning of the end, and a theoretical crypto crash won’t throw the market into turmoil (or why the current market turmoil ain’t so bad)? I don’t have any kids to feed, just young dumb and tired of market crashes.

While this particular event doesn’t mean much, if you are heavily invested in crypto you should be anything but calm.

If you are big into an altcoin, prepare for that to go up in smoke the next few months.

If you hold a lot of Bitcoin, make peace with it losing over 75% of value in the next few months. It’s going back to pre-covid levels at best.

Re: Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

#93
post #64
post #16

Would someone mind calming me by explaining why this is not a huge red flag, this isn’t the beginning of the end, and a theoretical crypto crash won’t throw the market into turmoil (or why the current market turmoil ain’t so bad)? I don’t have any kids to feed, just young dumb and tired of market crashes.

This is some random startup nobody has heard of. HN likes to work themselves into a froth over every scrap of bad crypto news, but this is utterly insignificant. Crypto will continue to fluctuate wildly as it always has.

Dotcom bubble friends. BITO ETF at the top to unload VC capital onto a bag holding public.

Re: Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

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Hmm... Bitprime have grown since the last time I was paying attention. 20 employees.... For some context, a few years ago, they only did OTC trades (you ask for a quote and have a few hours to confirm the price and send the funds), with quite a large minimum of a few thousand. You only really delt with them if you wanted to on-road or off-road large amounts of New Zealand dollars. They didn't even run their own crypt…

Who is the target market for such a service?

There are plenty of crypto exchanges that only deal with crypto. Or only have on/off ramps for some local currency that isn't really practical for people outside of that one country.

Bitprime allowed people in NZ to easily transfer value in and out of those exchanges. Or directly into a wallet for other services (i.e. buying NFTs or paying ransomware), or to hoddle.

Re: Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

#95
post #72

Hmm... Bitprime have grown since the last time I was paying attention. 20 employees.... For some context, a few years ago, they only did OTC trades (you ask for a quote and have a few hours to confirm the price and send the funds), with quite a large minimum of a few thousand. You only really delt with them if you wanted to on-road or off-road large amounts of New Zealand dollars. They didn't even run their own crypt…

Who is the target market for such a service?

Generally OTC desks are useful for large purchases. Let's say you want to acquire $100 million in Bitcoin - you could go to Coinbase and just do it, but you'd drastically move the market, have a really obvious candlestick, and an observant third party could look for large movements from Coinbase and potentially track your holdings / de-anonymize you.

An OTC desk can be setup to spread the buy over several days / months, buy across markets, and optimize for best price execution. It's not necessarily a huge business, but a lot of businesses and high net worth individuals will use these types of services instead of trying to learn the skills themselves.

Re: Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

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post #72

Hmm... Bitprime have grown since the last time I was paying attention. 20 employees.... For some context, a few years ago, they only did OTC trades (you ask for a quote and have a few hours to confirm the price and send the funds), with quite a large minimum of a few thousand. You only really delt with them if you wanted to on-road or off-road large amounts of New Zealand dollars. They didn't even run their own crypt…

Who is the target market for such a service?

Someone who doesn't want to keep funds on exchange but needs instant liquidity for any amount.

Also, the best OTCs tend to be failure tolerant: website down or DDoS'd? Doesn't matter, you talk on Signal or WhatsApp or Telegram.

Re: Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

#97
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Technology forum has articles about controversial (polarizing!) technology topic. Tbh, the tenor here also isn't doomsday predictions, it's some "elaborate on the core value, any value" with some jaded cynicism akin to assuming any unknown telephone number is a scam call

Re: Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

#98
post #72

Hmm... Bitprime have grown since the last time I was paying attention. 20 employees.... For some context, a few years ago, they only did OTC trades (you ask for a quote and have a few hours to confirm the price and send the funds), with quite a large minimum of a few thousand. You only really delt with them if you wanted to on-road or off-road large amounts of New Zealand dollars. They didn't even run their own crypt…

Who is the target market for such a service?

The reasons for OTC desks is that if an individual wants to buy, say $100m of an asset, it's likely that they need to buy from multiple sellers.

If you do that by buying $10k x 10k transactions, your demand will increase the price of the asset and mean you pay more than current price for no good reason.

OTC desks either collect the $100m from large holders in big blocks, or they use working capital to constantly buy the asset and sell it for a single quoted price (hoping to gain on arbitrage).

In this particular case, they also offered the unique service of accepting /nzd vs. EUR/USD/JPY/KRW

Re: Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

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This is not a product anyone has heard of. Negative crypto stories get a lot more play on HN than the legions of tech startups laying off workers, and FAANG stocks ruining RSU packages. The whole world of markets is being popped right now. For example pension funds are doing terribly: https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/pensions-bad-year-poised-to... This has nothing to do with crypto and is going to hurt a lot of innoc…

GrubHub stock is down to $3 after a high of $20. Food is a scam.

Do you know that GrubHub doesn't make food, their business model doesn't have anything to do with food, except in the most tangential sense?

Re: Cryptocurreny retailer BitPrime closes trading after running out of money

#100
This seems to be a small player, so it's not especially concerning, but when the Coinbase CEO says his company has "no risk of bankruptcy," it's one of those moments where I wonder why he felt he needed to say that. Sure, they reported it as a possible risk to the SEC, but then "nothing to see here, folks" doesn't inspire confidence.
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