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Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by macintux »

bee_rider wrote: post #68
chrischen wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then don't get the dongle. Just upgrade your accessory to use USB type C. Having a bulky USB A port just to appease the 1% of users who spend $2000 on a shiny new macbook but cheap out on a mouse they've been using from the 90s? I exaggerate, but if you really want to keep your old accessories then leave the dongle permanently attached to the accessory. You can get like a 10 pack for like $5 probably.

It isn't really a matter of cost, so much as the inconvenience of replacing all the peripherals I've accumulated over time (ignoring the fact that there isn't even a USB-C version of my favorite keyboard). Yes adapters are possible, however an even better solution (in that it doesn't require remembering to bring an adapter everywhere) is just to buy a different brand of laptop.

How many peripherals do you take with you when you leave the house?

I've found a single, compact USB-C hub does fine for me, but of course YMMV.

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

#92

Post by abawany »

idoh wrote: post #75
parkingrift wrote: post #37

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I use the iPad Mini for taking handwritten notes and it works beautifully for that use case. I would use an iPad Pro as my "laptop" if Apple would let me run macOS. It's a Macbook Air but without a directly attached keyboard saddled with an inappropriate OS for the hardware.

What do you use for your notes? Is it crazy to just use the built in Notes app?

You didn't ask me but I use Nebo; I found out about it when investigating the file format used by the Kobo Elipsa. I like it because of its realtime handwriting conversion, no recurring fees, cloud sync and backup, and easy export to pdf with text conversion preservation.

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by [deleted] »

jhou2 wrote: post #70
galogon wrote: post #2

The Watch, Mac and iPhone are doing great but the iPad lacks ambition and doesn't seem to have a direction. Who is in charge of the iPad division at Apple?

I would argue that the typical reader at hacker news is not the target audience for iPad. Think young children and grandparents. My elderly mother loves her ipads. She has three of them. She can watch youtube on them, check email, chat apps, play music, control her TV. My preschool nieces and nephews love the iPad similarly for youtube and games. iPads are the easiest to use computers for people who are, for one reas…

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Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by tinus_hn »

rnk wrote: post #56
ghaff wrote: post #39

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The argument is that it's legacy and it will die because USB-C is better is a variety of ways. And in true Apple fashion, Apple is killing it somewhat aggressively. Though it's not just Apple. Something like a Google Pixelbook is USB-C only as well.

The same thing can be said for the unnecessary apple lightning plug - it serves no purpose other than apple selling adapters and blocking usb-c use. Yet it keeps being used. Lots of companies have things with only usb-c but the real problem is not new use, it's the billions of devices with usb-a plugs on them. In my house there are probably 10 usb-c plugs across several computers and 100 usb-a things to plug in.

The Lightning connector was introduced in 2012 while USB-C was introduced in 2014.

My theory is that Apple made commitments to keep supporting the Lightning connector on their phones for a number of years to get manufacturers to create devices with it.

Say whatever you want, when it was introduced it was clearly a big improvement over the micro USB connectors everyone else was using. By now it’s holding them back though.

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by hollandheese »

spiderice wrote: post #78
tentacleuno wrote: post #53

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> Devices stopped being shipped with USB-A a long time ago now. Are you talking about Macs or devices in general? My 2021 laptop has an SD card slot, x2 USB A and x2 USB C (well, Thunderbolt 4). Despite how much I like USB C (all the devices I take with me have it), USB A is still here and will be for quite a while. Oh, I forgot to mention that my laptop also has (full-sized!) HDMI and a headphone jack.

> Devices stopped being shipped with USB-A a long time ago now. I interpreted this to mean the male side. Sure you can still buy laptops that accept USB-A, but I haven't seen any peripheral that still uses USB-A in a long time. I'm sure you could still buy a thumb drive with USB-A, but I wouldn't.

>I haven't seen any peripheral that still uses USB-A in a long time.

Wired Mice, Wired Keyboards, Thumb drives, external hard drives, printers, webcams, external cd/dvd/bluray drives, etc..

What peripherals do you look at? Barely any of them use USB-C unless they're explicitly USB-C docks, or Thunderbolt peripherals.

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by obscuren »

bee_rider wrote: post #68
chrischen wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then don't get the dongle. Just upgrade your accessory to use USB type C. Having a bulky USB A port just to appease the 1% of users who spend $2000 on a shiny new macbook but cheap out on a mouse they've been using from the 90s? I exaggerate, but if you really want to keep your old accessories then leave the dongle permanently attached to the accessory. You can get like a 10 pack for like $5 probably.

It isn't really a matter of cost, so much as the inconvenience of replacing all the peripherals I've accumulated over time (ignoring the fact that there isn't even a USB-C version of my favorite keyboard). Yes adapters are possible, however an even better solution (in that it doesn't require remembering to bring an adapter everywhere) is just to buy a different brand of laptop.

Just buy a couple of these [1] (can probably find them cheaper even) and leave them attached to the peripheral (not your Mac)

- [1] https://satechi.net/products/aluminum-usb-c-to-usb-a-adapter...

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by hollandheese »

spaceisballer wrote: post #82

I’m not surprised that the iPad has a decline. My son has a few year old 9.7” iPad and it works great still. Consume media very easily and even have games. I can notice the difference between it and my 2018 iPad Pro but I could see people are just not going buy new ones every year or two. I’d like the M1 iPad Pro but it’s not worth the jump in price.

Yeah. Until Apple presents a good software reason to upgrade an iPad, most people are just going to stick with the iPad they have until it breaks.

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by hollandheese »

jhou2 wrote: post #70
galogon wrote: post #2

The Watch, Mac and iPhone are doing great but the iPad lacks ambition and doesn't seem to have a direction. Who is in charge of the iPad division at Apple?

I would argue that the typical reader at hacker news is not the target audience for iPad. Think young children and grandparents. My elderly mother loves her ipads. She has three of them. She can watch youtube on them, check email, chat apps, play music, control her TV. My preschool nieces and nephews love the iPad similarly for youtube and games. iPads are the easiest to use computers for people who are, for one reas…

Sure for the iPad, but what about the iPad Pro? What's the point of that product when the iPad non-Pro easily fulfills the computer-illiterate sector.

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by bombcar »

goosedragons wrote: post #89
chrischen wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then don't get the dongle. Just upgrade your accessory to use USB type C. Having a bulky USB A port just to appease the 1% of users who spend $2000 on a shiny new macbook but cheap out on a mouse they've been using from the 90s? I exaggerate, but if you really want to keep your old accessories then leave the dongle permanently attached to the accessory. You can get like a 10 pack for like $5 probably.

Find a new wired mouse with a USB C connector. USB A isn't dead just yet. Also doesn't really help in the scenario where maybe you need to grab files off a client or colleague's flash drive...

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/accessories-and-software/keyb...

They’re out there.

Would a USB A be nice? Probably.

Re: Apple Reports Second Quarter Results

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Post by mattl »

dekhn wrote: post #55
mattl wrote: post #35

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Why does it need to die?

because inferior tech that lasts a long time has a constant tax on productivity.

I think I’m less productive with a dongle to use a USB type A device on my laptop than I would be with a single port.
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