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Why I’m scared of the post-PC era.

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Re: Why I’m scared of the post-PC era.

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Nobody's gonna buy devices that let them create in those ways anymore? Surely there will be demand for things to be created in the forms that those devices aren't good at creating for.

You're right, that was probably too hyperbolic. But I think the author's point is that part of his penchant for making is due to exposure as a child. In a post-PC era, even if professionals still have PCs, many fewer people will than do today, because they won't need them. That means fewer people, fewer children will be exposed to them as the author was. I think it's a valid concern.

That I agree with.

I suppose I (personally) think it's generally inevitable (and even mostly good!) that machines continue to evolve the way they are doing now - "good" primarily because the newer types of systems provide so much more creative power to non-engineering types, which make up the majority of people.

But, as someone who is deeply interested in computers today primarily because of the power that was available to me as a young child on an early PC, I think that one of the most noble goods that can be done for the future is to provide tools to allow future generations to have access to similar capabilities for exploration and design like we had. The most obvious way to do so seems to me to be "open Web" tools. Web stuff that lets kids play the way we did in BASIC (hopefully even better!) seems like a really good thing to me.

Re: Why I’m scared of the post-PC era.

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The point is that the "post-PC era" will make it so that being someone who thinks that you can modify or change the computing experience is relegated to "oddball hobby" status, like it would be if someone today wanted to start playing with vacuum tubes. The current PC ecosystem lets you explore and create and play and learn on the same tools that you use to consume. You can build a lego kit with the instructions, or…

You can always ssh to a server and do development work there. That's what I do at my job anyways. It's advantageous because compiling programs on the server doesn't affect the computer you are using.

Because children and other people who don't yet know they are interested in programming have many convenient development servers they can ssh to.

Re: Why I’m scared of the post-PC era.

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In the presence of each and every person living in an industrialized society are multiple devices running embedded software that is difficult to modify. Those devices are programmed using more flexible systems which to this very second are programmable any way you like. Where is the outrage over the hacker unfriendliness of my refrigerator? The iPad, iPhone, Android, and comparable devices are a hybrid of PC-like and…

>A hacker's "freedom" to poke around in the system has been traded for the freedom of an average person to use the damn thing without worry. The two are not mutually exclusive. Some Macs have been made in the past that were easy to open up, should you choose to. Others required special screwdrivers be used, removing choice. What is wrong with giving grown ups who have purchased hardware the ability to choose what to…

Exactly. Apple's iOS policies are not required to preserve Apple's user experience or protect cellular networks, no matter how many times they claim they are. They are about Apple making sure they are in control of the iOS ecosystem, no matter what. That motivation, of course, is pretty scary by itself...

Re: Why I’m scared of the post-PC era.

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You're right, that was probably too hyperbolic. But I think the author's point is that part of his penchant for making is due to exposure as a child. In a post-PC era, even if professionals still have PCs, many fewer people will than do today, because they won't need them. That means fewer people, fewer children will be exposed to them as the author was. I think it's a valid concern.

Today you can build a brand-spanking new computer for $800, less if you skip the fancy graphics card and speakers. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/guides/2011/03/ars-system-gui... There may be fewer of these sitting around living rooms. But a greater proportion will be available to dual-boot as Dad won't be so worried about losing his TurboTax data. The devices supplementing or supplanting them will give kids access t…

Plenty of people reference things like Apple's dominance of the tablet market and Apple's profitability compared to other device manufacturers and claim that "this time it's different". That may be famously wrong with respect to the stock market, but we have relatively few examples of the evolution and adoption of computing platforms so I'd say it is a much harder call here.

Re: Why I’m scared of the post-PC era.

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Those that are driven to make things will be inspired by what the post-pc landscape has to offer, not dissuaded.

I don't want to completely discount this short post, but the FUD here seems misplaced. Many more people are being attracted to post-pc devices vs. pcs. The fraction that go on to become engineers will make for a larger pool of hackers, not a smaller one.

Things don't have to be hard to inspire one to hack. They just need to be sufficiently interesting.

Re: Why I’m scared of the post-PC era.

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Your iPad has a browser. That browser runs HTML5 and JavaScript. That's the quick way to get to something programmable. If you want to get down and dirty, drop thirty bucks on an Arduino. Personally, I think the post-PC era is going to be even more awesome.

Totally agree on the browser. But as an aside, can you program an Arduino if all you have is an iPad? Or would you have to go buy a general-purpose PC for somewhat more than $30?

There's now a blessed serial cable with a dock connector, and some form of an arduino programming environment on the iPad. The only drawback is that the cable is more expensive than the arduino.

Re: Why I’m scared of the post-PC era.

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The author does sound like a retro-grouch. As I often say to hipsters on fixies, “For you it’s retro, for me it’s nostalgia.” That being said, the post-PC era does not mean that nobody has a PC, it means that people don’t have to buy PCs to do non-PC things. Imagine if you needed a PC to watch television. It’s the same thing with email, FB, and web browsing. Why do I want to know how to format a hard drive to read Ha…

the post-PC era does not mean that nobody has a PC, it means that people don’t have to buy PCs to do non-PC things. Fewer people needing to buy PCs to do non-PC things means fewer people buying PCs. Fewer people buying PCs means fewer people exposed to the PC things early on. Fewer people who are familiar with the things that you use to make things. Seems reasonably lamentable to me.

This is like telling me that it's lamentable that I can't fix a car. Had I been forced to spend many waking hours tuning and maintaining my car, I would have learned something.

Well, I spent those hours programming, and the people who love cars are using the time saved by their iPad to tinker ith internal combustion engines and electric vehicles.

Re: Why I’m scared of the post-PC era.

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In the presence of each and every person living in an industrialized society are multiple devices running embedded software that is difficult to modify. Those devices are programmed using more flexible systems which to this very second are programmable any way you like. Where is the outrage over the hacker unfriendliness of my refrigerator? The iPad, iPhone, Android, and comparable devices are a hybrid of PC-like and…

Personally I'd like it if I could hack my fridge. And my thermostat. And my dishwasher. But those actually aren't as important as a computer because I don't use them to make things. I don't dismiss the power of giving access to information consumption devices to the masses. But I would prefer if we could put the means of production into their hands as well. So I agree to some degree with the author. As for censorship…

I like this a lot. Just one thing:

  Not illegal or immoral, but scary.
I would go further. Illegality and immorality are very different. I think people have a moral responsibility to use their power well, or at least not abuse it, regardless of what the law requires of them. Using the law to enforce this kind of morality is dangerous, but it still stands.

Re: Why I’m scared of the post-PC era.

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Where did everything that's on the internet exist before ~1995? How did you access it?

I don't understand what you're driving at. Software represents only a fraction of "everything that's on the Internet", creators of software only a fraction of creators in general, and creators in general being only a fraction of "the masses".

That there has been so much software written, and content created with that software, and support structures to supply that content to you (like networking or ecommerce) indicates that folks have to be able to innovate - the greater the mass of people that can tinker, the greater the mass of creators you get.

There was a much higher ratio of creators to users in the computer world in the 60s. But there wasn't the sheer volume of innovation there has been since the masses got involved - even though there's a lower ratio of creators, the absolute number of creators is far higher - hell, we're even on a site that is designed to do nothing but cater for this influx of creators, and it's getting one application a minute.

The fewer people that have exposure to tinkering, the lower the number of innovators overall.

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