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Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by dekhn »

zionic wrote: post #79
dekhn wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're sure it's in a List, but the point is that the List is not uniformly enforced, and "motherboard->mainboard" definitely seems like one to go to bat against because it Doesn't Make Sense to get rid of it.

> We're sure it's in a List, but the point is that the List is not uniformly enforced The fact that it’s in a list at all should make you reconsider your employment with them. The inmates run the asylum at Google, just because they haven’t come for your corner/fiefdom yet doesn’t mean they won’t.

yes, I left google because of stupid shit like this.

More importantly: when I was there, I actively fought against this kind of shit, but it was clear at some point that the content moderation team had enough sway with execs that they were going to continue this sort of idiocy untrammelled.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by zionic »

cabirum wrote: post #75

"...language is of central importance to human thought because it structures and limits the ideas that individuals are capable of formulating and expressing."

Thus further evidence of neurolinguistic programming being real (or people believing it’s real).

Shape the language people are allowed to use and you start to shape their thoughts as well.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by changoplatanero »

mc4ndr3 wrote: post #5

We haven't gotten spelling assistance right, let alone grammar or semantics. Prefer editors with fewer "smart" features that distract from writing.

> We haven't gotten spelling assistance right

Shouldn't you say that we got spelling assistance correct instead of right? Left-handed people might not like to see the word "right" being used to mean "correct"

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by knorker »

dekhn wrote: post #13

One of the reasons I left google is that their "content moderation team" (the folks who make you take down wrongthink memes) is so far out of touch, that somebody had to explain to them there are people in the world who are discriminated against, but aren't black. They simply didn't know that was the case! And if that's the people who are moderating content... I said motherboard all the time in meetings and chats, ne…

> I said motherboard all the time in meetings and chats, never had any pushback. TBH if I did get pushback on that one, I'd bring it to HR and say the pushback was affecting my ability to get work down.

And get Damore'd?

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by dekhn »

nebulous_two wrote: post #70
dekhn wrote: post #13

One of the reasons I left google is that their "content moderation team" (the folks who make you take down wrongthink memes) is so far out of touch, that somebody had to explain to them there are people in the world who are discriminated against, but aren't black. They simply didn't know that was the case! And if that's the people who are moderating content... I said motherboard all the time in meetings and chats, ne…

Put yourself in the shoes of your average content moderator. Aren't they there for the paycheck like most people at their jobs? Why does everyone assume these people are first and foremost bastions of acceptable behaviour? They are instructed by executives as to how to do their jobs. Now executives are learning nuance and say "oh there's more to this than you thought, so here's the updated guidelines to follow now",…

No, those folks are not there just to get a paycheck. They are evangelists for a viewpoint who use their moderation powers to eliminate thoughts they don't like.

And yes, those teams really did come up with their determinations of what was OK and what wasn't, based on their own beliefs. That made that quite clear in their repeated, stupid posts on memegen.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by SamReidHughes »

jedimastert wrote: post #78
kache_ wrote: post #22

I've been privy to people trying to ban words like "whitelabel" at my company. Thankfully, management & executives at my company never stood for that BS so I still get to use whitelist & blacklist in documentation, and don't worry about those non-issues get in the way of me actually doing work. Google might be too far gone, and working with those people would be so exhausting that it's actually stopped me from applyi…

Silly question: ignoring any kind of history, why fight for terms like "whitelist" and "blacklist" when terms like "allowlist" and "blocklist" are objectively clearer, especially for folks who's first language is not English?

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Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by luxuryballs »

Since when is black and white primarily a racial thing anyways? It seems a little inverted, like a black flag or a black mark on an account, it’s not like it’s called “negrolist”, black and white are colors before they are slang for race/culture. Maybe instead of neutering the dictionary we could try a different angle and quit lumping people into “white” or “black”? Some people are Kenyan, Irish, Nigerian, German, nobody is actually white or black.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by knorker »

reaperducer wrote: post #74
dekhn wrote: post #13

One of the reasons I left google is that their "content moderation team" (the folks who make you take down wrongthink memes) is so far out of touch, that somebody had to explain to them there are people in the world who are discriminated against, but aren't black. They simply didn't know that was the case! And if that's the people who are moderating content... I said motherboard all the time in meetings and chats, ne…

so far out of touch, that somebody had to explain to them there are people in the world who are discriminated against, but aren't black. Sounds preposterous, but is not. I had a boss around 2000 who believed wholeheartedly that people brought from Africa to the United States were the only slaves that ever existed in history anywhere on Earth. This came up because someone noted in passing conversation that an annivers…

Not only that, but there are more than three times as many slaves TODAY as ever were in the transatlantic slave trade that is the only one the US knows exists.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by mgraczyk »

svnpenn wrote: post #88
mgraczyk wrote: post #9

In the article they use the example of "Motherboard" and "Landlord" and seem to suggest that these are areas where the Google AI is making mistakes or being overly strict. As a Google employee expressing my own opinion and observations of company culture, I can say that these are 100% not mistakes. Many Google employees are just so out of touch with the real world that they believe it is the duty of Google Docs to ch…

Post a screenshot, otherwise I agree with others that you're just lying.

That is not allowed (for good reason) and I don't want to get fired, if you work at Google you can ping me and I can send it to you.

Re: Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by designium »

mgraczyk wrote: post #9

In the article they use the example of "Motherboard" and "Landlord" and seem to suggest that these are areas where the Google AI is making mistakes or being overly strict. As a Google employee expressing my own opinion and observations of company culture, I can say that these are 100% not mistakes. Many Google employees are just so out of touch with the real world that they believe it is the duty of Google Docs to ch…

I wouldn't mind calling Motherboard site to Personboard... ehhehehe

It would be interesting to call landlord as landperson.

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