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Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging

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Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging

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Post by giantg2 »

kube-system wrote: post #83
crate_barre wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Naive question, but aren’t we talking about installing an electrical outlet essentially? Some of these options look like they plug into a wall: https://www.amazon.com/MUSTART-Portable-Charger-Electric-Cha... Bare minimum the apartment building can work to install wall outlets in the garage, or very long extension cords. Video: https://www.amazon.com/vdp/006d5bc8225646d086bb5afa191e52d8?... That’s not asking for a lot…

Depending on the current electrical system and the number of outlets you’re adding it could consist of a significant upgrade to the electrical infrastructure in the building.

In the context of charging multiple vehicles simultaneously at gas stations, apartments, etc, it's almost a certainty that the building infrastructure would need to be upgraded. Newer 200 amp SFH can likely charge one car at a time with minimal upgrades.

Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging

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Post by Zachsa999 »

mabbo wrote: post #16

This kind of makes sense to me. Gas stations are already setup as places where cars are coming and going frequently. As cars move from gas to electric, the use of these places transitions smoothly. It's a pigouvian tax: tax the things we want less of; in this case gas stations without chargers. I always kind of like those. Could work.

No, we want wider adoption of electric vehicles. Don't lose sight of the goal

Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging

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Post by giantg2 »

chipsa wrote: post #82
giantg2 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The outlet isn't a big deal. The infrastructure to support it is. You need to pay the supplier for additional supply lines, an electrician for the panel and other customer side infrastructure. That's the expensive part.

Most people don’t need a supply upgrade, because they can shift most of the charging to night time, and the majority of people don’t use as much power at night as during the day. Unless they have a very small service. But most people have it sized to support a stove, electric dryer and A/C, if they got service relatively recently. And most electric companies will do the service upgrade for cheap if necessary, because…

If we are talking about a SFH charging one car at a time (or slow charging 2), sure.

My comment was more focused on the gas stations, apartments, condos, etc that others have brought up.

Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging

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Post by giantg2 »

chx wrote: post #88
giantg2 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the bottleneck is energy supply, how are the gas stations expected to source their energy?

There are no gas stations left in the West End and only one on the entire downtown peninsula which has been on sale already several times. I was answering about home charging for a non-trivial amount of the population. The rest of the city is supplied well, it's just the peninsula which doesn't have enough. It is also one of the densest places in Canada.

So what is the plan for EVs there if the infrastructure can't handle it?

Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging

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Post by b112 »

s0rce wrote: post #74
argomo wrote: post #13

Sounds like a way to quickly create an unreliable network of shitty, dimly lit EV chargers that help sour EV adoption.

Like the perpetually broken air compressors in California.

Weird. Spend winters California , and one year I had a slow leak in my tire.

I could fill it every 4 days and be fine, so I did just that. I found one broken air compressor hose, which I mentioned to the station owner. He ordered a replacement immediately.

Our of maybe 50 uses, while travelling all over California, staying in a dozen different places, it seems to me that your reports are inaccurate.

(I prefer to fix my car at home, with mechanics I know.)

Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging

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Post by RobertWHurst »

rhacker wrote: post #60

Has anyone noticed lately there's an overwhelming number of laws designed more for virtue signalling than effectiveness? Straws for example. Shouldn't we be writing laws banning plastic straws rather than fine places for passing them out without being asked. Also for EVs if there is a lot of money in charging networks, wouldn't the market just "work" for that. I'm kind of sick of liberal politics (but not liberal ide…

As someone who as lived and worked in Vancouver most of my life. The current administration at city hall is the worst in this regard that we have ever had. Under there watch the city has drastically declined.

Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging

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Post by chx »

giantg2 wrote: post #94
chx wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are no gas stations left in the West End and only one on the entire downtown peninsula which has been on sale already several times. I was answering about home charging for a non-trivial amount of the population. The rest of the city is supplied well, it's just the peninsula which doesn't have enough. It is also one of the densest places in Canada.

So what is the plan for EVs there if the infrastructure can't handle it?

That's why you need to have it in gas stations because for in the short term future I can't see downtown having an abundance of chargers.

As I noted, the other substations which are not on the peninsula are fine.

Look: https://www.google.com/maps/search/bc+hydro+substations+in+v... the Dal Grauer Substation is so old it is a heritage building!

Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging

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Post by b112 »

foobarian wrote: post #7

Given it's Vancouver couldn't they crank up the property taxes instead? Might relieve some of the real estate pressure coming from second-home owners as well - win-win!

More property tax!!

I can't tell if you are joking or not.

Note that in Canada, cities get lots of funding perks. One is a portion of the GST.

Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging

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Post by b112 »

mostertoaster wrote: post #49
foobarian wrote: post #7

Given it's Vancouver couldn't they crank up the property taxes instead? Might relieve some of the real estate pressure coming from second-home owners as well - win-win!

Ahh yes because raising property taxes definitely makes housing more affordable. I’m going to start creating leases for renters where they have a choice to pay less overall rent, but they pay property taxes, or they don’t pay property taxes but pay more in rent. So for example lease will be $2000 a month, or $1600 a month plus property taxes that are currently $300 a month. I think every landlord should do this.

Good call. Let renters see how tax affects their rent.

Re: Vancouver proposes 10k-dollar annual fee for gas stations without EV charging

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Post by gamblor956 »

crate_barre wrote: post #42
james_pm wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people can not charge at home. Where I live (Toronto), street parking is common. It's not possible to charge on the street near your house. Condos have parking garages and unless they put a charger at each single spot, most of those people can't charge either. Toyota has it right - there are huge issues to be solved before widespread roll out of EV is possible. The charging question is just one of them.

Naive question, but aren’t we talking about installing an electrical outlet essentially? Some of these options look like they plug into a wall: https://www.amazon.com/MUSTART-Portable-Charger-Electric-Cha... Bare minimum the apartment building can work to install wall outlets in the garage, or very long extension cords. Video: https://www.amazon.com/vdp/006d5bc8225646d086bb5afa191e52d8?... That’s not asking for a lot…

That’s not asking for a lot from a building.

It's definitely asking for a lot. For my building's parking structure, that would require at least $5 million worth of upgrades to the electrical system, and we're not even the biggest condo building on the block.

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