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Re: Heresy

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Post by javajosh »

vinceguidry wrote: post #76
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #53

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You should probably go look at the current state of diagnosis and treatment of gender dysphoria before giving your hot take. If caught and treated early, gender reassignment surgery can work miracles on a child's quality of life. It really shouldn't be seen any differently than other treatable birth defects.

What is the liklihood of the child being confused, mistaken, or later changing their mind? TBH my concern is that liberal parents, excited at the prospect that their little white boy will avoid a lifetime of abuse by transitioning to being a little white girl, will not even preach caution, but will hasten the transition to a better, more protected, identity.

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Post by i000 »

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #53

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Yes, calling out a group of people an "insane concept" is a form of hostility. The existence of trans people (and children) both at the social and biological (even genetic) level is quite beyond doubt. One might disagree and discuss how to help and live alongside those people, but labeling them an "insane concept" is not a worthy contribution tho this discourse.

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Post by tedivm »

vinceguidry wrote: post #76
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #53

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You should probably go look at the current state of diagnosis and treatment of gender dysphoria before giving your hot take. If caught and treated early, gender reassignment surgery can work miracles on a child's quality of life. It really shouldn't be seen any differently than other treatable birth defects.

Most people don't realize this either, but I think it's worth mentioning after Alabama passed their new legislation that the common treatment for trans teens is puberty blockers to delay puberty. These puberty blockers were specifically developed for CIS children entering puberty too early (or having other medical issues) and have been used for a long time. They basically help give the children more time to mature before making decisions in either direction.

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Post by uxp100 »

turbinerneiter wrote: post #3

Is the situation in the US that insane or is he fighting strawmen strapped to windmills?

The Us is a little culturally weird right now (and always), and it depends on your industry a little but he’s mostly fighting strawmen strapped to windmills. I mean, what would PG know about this whole topic?

Also, you want to write software without “being canceled?” Well, dust off your oscilloscope skills, in the unglamorous embedded world I hear toned down right wing rants about Putin being canceled and Covid testing as a mass surveillance program and all that happens is sometimes someone’s like, alright, let’s move the meeting along.

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Post by otterley »

pjbeam wrote: post #20
mmastrac wrote: post #4

What I find most interesting are those arguing against "cancel culture" and the revival of heretics don't find issue with things like the "critical race theory" boogeyman and the "don't say gay"-style bills preventing teaching of sexuality topics. It's interesting how consistency of free thought isn't really the important thing here.

None of the competing thoughtcrime tribes seem to care about things like free thought, discourse, etc. This is the frightening part to me--people in the "other tribe" aren't worthy of things like due process, and authoritarian approaches are fine as long as they are aimed at the "other". I know history repeats itself but wow, c'mon.. the 20th century wasn't that long ago.

Nobody’s trying to put you in jail for having differing views. But there’s never going to be a world in which there aren’t social consequences for having them. If you think, for example, that the world is going to greet people who think it’s ok to molest children (whether they do it or not) with open arms, you’re just deluded.

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Post by Aeolun »

vinceguidry wrote: post #76
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #53

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You should probably go look at the current state of diagnosis and treatment of gender dysphoria before giving your hot take. If caught and treated early, gender reassignment surgery can work miracles on a child's quality of life. It really shouldn't be seen any differently than other treatable birth defects.

Yeah, but there needs to be a point where you can trust that the child didn’t just make it all up and gets fucked for life. I think the age where you can reasonably be sure of that is probably pretty close to the age of adulthood already.

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Post by zozbot234 »

vinceguidry wrote: post #76
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #53

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You should probably go look at the current state of diagnosis and treatment of gender dysphoria before giving your hot take. If caught and treated early, gender reassignment surgery can work miracles on a child's quality of life. It really shouldn't be seen any differently than other treatable birth defects.

The notion that young kids necessarily have a completely formed and stabilized "gender identity" (which is necessary for "trans kids" to even be a meaningful concept) is entirely driven by ideology. It doesn't even pass the most cursory test of plausibility.

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Post by bradleyjg »

vinceguidry wrote: post #76
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #53

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You should probably go look at the current state of diagnosis and treatment of gender dysphoria before giving your hot take. If caught and treated early, gender reassignment surgery can work miracles on a child's quality of life. It really shouldn't be seen any differently than other treatable birth defects.

There hasn’t been nearly enough time for longitudinal studies. We have no idea what treatment, if any, will lead to the greatest lifetime quality of life for children expressing symptoms of gender dysphoria. Nor for that matter do we have any idea why children are experiencing these symptoms are much higher rates.
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