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The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

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Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#91
It's really funny how Twitter manages to somehow do both these things at the same time:

1. Promise everyone to decentralize itself, aka the "bluesky" project. Except it's been a thing for ~2 years and exactly zero meaningful progress has been made. Related: didn't Jack say they wanted to open up the API again?

2. Become ever more manipulative and get in my way more and more with its engagement growth bullshit.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#92

One of the things that has always confused me about twitter is that it seems to be offering a threaded conversation model, yet it tries to "flatten" the conversation and render things in a linear timeline. I've always struggled to understand the full context of the tweet I'm reading (that is, where is this tweet in the full conversation?). Do others also struggle with this? Am I just Doing It Wrong?

It is a plainly idiotic user interface and threading model and the fact that it's lasted so long looks to me like evidence of extreme dysfunction within the company.

Consider also their privacy model. Twitter is the only website I have ever been a user of that lets me see more information if I log out than I can see when I'm logged in (i.e. the tweets of anybody who has blocked me). Deep confusion is on display at every turn.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#93
Agree with the core points, and it's not just Twitter these days. Perhaps some of it is in the name of spam prevention? But it's hard not to be turned off when every social site's mobile web url tries to get me to install an app or flat out says "not available on mobile web".

For anyone looking for alternatives, I've been building https://sqwok.im and welcome you to check it out. Sqwok is all about live discussion with fully public topical chatrooms, a simple interface, small community, and driven by desire for building a better place for conversation on the web.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#94
post #84

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You've always had to login to post, so I don't see how twitters increasing push to force logins would impact a preexisting spam problem.

Scraping for one.

You don’t push feature like that for tens of millions to prevent some scrapers who bypass it in few minutes by creating account which is not providing anything to Twitter.

They account requirement is simple there for more efficient data collection.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#95

One of the things that has always confused me about twitter is that it seems to be offering a threaded conversation model, yet it tries to "flatten" the conversation and render things in a linear timeline. I've always struggled to understand the full context of the tweet I'm reading (that is, where is this tweet in the full conversation?). Do others also struggle with this? Am I just Doing It Wrong?

It is a plainly idiotic user interface and threading model and the fact that it's lasted so long looks to me like evidence of extreme dysfunction within the company. Consider also their privacy model. Twitter is the only website I have ever been a user of that lets me see more information if I log out than I can see when I'm logged in (i.e. the tweets of anybody who has blocked me). Deep confusion is on display at ev…

The fact that it's lasted this long is evidence that it doesn't matter enough to the end user to be worth changing. If it were Hacker News people would be saying "if it isn't broken, don't fix it." And people using Twitter despite its user interface - even putting in the effort to work around it, implies that it isn't really broken.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#96
post #83

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> I think login walls are to stop spam You need a login in order to spam. What a stupid theory.

That's exactly what I said LOL. What's the need for your anger?

Twitter has always required account for posting. The problem is that reading requires now as well.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#97
post #73

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I think it’s intentional on Twitter’s part. It’s FOMO: you see a hot take out of context and now your brain ~~wants~~ needs to know what the hell is going on, so you reward Twitter’s algorithm with lots of tasty engagement in your effort to figure out who pissed everyone off.

Yeah, this seems to be the endgame of the whole engagement maximizer craze: If struggling with an app because you can't find the function you're looking for counts as "engagement", then the obvious strategy is to make apps as hard to use as possible.

>the obvious strategy is to make apps as hard to use as possible.

And this is exactly what they're doing. They as in facebook and twitter.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#99
post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a plainly idiotic user interface and threading model and the fact that it's lasted so long looks to me like evidence of extreme dysfunction within the company. Consider also their privacy model. Twitter is the only website I have ever been a user of that lets me see more information if I log out than I can see when I'm logged in (i.e. the tweets of anybody who has blocked me). Deep confusion is on display at ev…

The fact that it's lasted this long is evidence that it doesn't matter enough to the end user to be worth changing. If it were Hacker News people would be saying "if it isn't broken, don't fix it." And people using Twitter despite its user interface - even putting in the effort to work around it, implies that it isn't really broken.

I think it's evidence that network effect are powerful, more than anything. I'm on twitter because that's where everybody else is.

Re: The ever-increasing walled-gardeness of Twitter

#100

Leaving the philosophical issues out for a moment, this is a problem for me even as someone who had a Twitter account and wants to be signed in. Every time I click on a link to Twitter in the Reddit app on iOS it opens in the embedded browser where I'm not logged in and don't know how to open it in the Twitter app instead. It's a pain!

I use Reddit is fun app and there is an option to use external browser. So clicking on Twitter link in Reddit app loads Twitter app for me.
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