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Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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That software bug made a lot of Hungarians miss elections today in Netherlands :(

So you are saying it's a plot to change the election's outcome? edit: It was a joke. :/

You must never joke on HN, this is a SERIOUS site where SERIOUS 10x people talk about SERIOUS things like.... uhhh.... playing Doom in Grafana.

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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From the notice: > It affected the system that generates up-to-date schedules for trains and staff. ...boy oh boy did trying to look into what NS uses for crew scheduling ever send me down a rabbit hole. I don't know if the systems have changed but while poking around online I found this[1] doc about the Netherlands' timetable revamp around 2006 and it talks about the complexity of TURNI-- their on-the-fly crew sched…

I have seen “SAP” tossed around in this industry and still have no clue what they do to earn money. Are they the equivalence of “salesforce”?

You might look up the running gag for the german abbreviation.

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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My curiosity is killing me as to what exactly went wrong. And as someone living in The Netherlands I'm also kind of mad at the apparent fragility of this huge chunk of our infrastructure. If this had happened on a work day, it would have been a real national emergency, rather than just a huge national inconvenience. I would appreciate one of those post-outage "what happened" reports like with the AWS and Facebook out…

Physical infrastructure can be fragile/fail catastrophically, as well. I recall starting a job near Seattle, 40 miles from my home in Olympia, WA and a passenger train derailed onto the highway killing a few people and backing up traffic for days. That was not a pleasant first day! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Washington_train_derailme...

Damn this made me read a lot about this specific derailment, but also about Puget Sound, Salish Sea, Positive train control and all this 220-MHz stuff.

Thanks!

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Were the elections illegitimate ? I'm a complete outsider to hungarian politics so I'm not sure if this is hyperbole... but talking about how a dictatorship has been reelected again doesn't make sense to me. Unless elections in Hungary are just theather, and results are just faked like in Syria for example.

It's a relatively free election, there's a strong incumbent bias that undoubtedly helps him win but there's no evidence the entire thing is rigged. Dictators can be popular, the best example is Napoleon.

Each opposition party gets 5 minutes per 4 year election cycle by the state controlled media (and a lot of other media was bought from stolen EU money).

I dare you to watch 5 minutes of news on the government media channel (the only channels that can be accessed in the free TV tear, that poor people are able to watch) and say that it's not rigged.

4 year ago the joke party used that 5 minutes for being a chicken to show the absurdity of the situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcpuwIl-610&t=28s

If Napoleon, who ruled hundreds of years ago is the best example you know, there must be something in not allowing any person to stay for 16 years in power (especially because he just had 9 years)

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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SAP are more known for ERP than CRM They're absolutely colossal in size My ex-girlfiend's father is an engineer there in Baden-Wurttemberg - I'd characterise them as closer to something like Oracle rather than Salesforce

They are so colossal that switching to SAP usually means reworking company's processes to match SAP's, not the other way around.

This was true even for Royal Dutch Shell, one of the largest companies in the world. A few years before he retired, my dad led a team responsible for coordinating implementation of SAP and for training thousands or even tens of thousands of employees to work with the new system.

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the notice: > It affected the system that generates up-to-date schedules for trains and staff. ...boy oh boy did trying to look into what NS uses for crew scheduling ever send me down a rabbit hole. I don't know if the systems have changed but while poking around online I found this[1] doc about the Netherlands' timetable revamp around 2006 and it talks about the complexity of TURNI-- their on-the-fly crew sched…

I have seen “SAP” tossed around in this industry and still have no clue what they do to earn money. Are they the equivalence of “salesforce”?

Basically SAP is a large database/software package that runs all aspects of your business. From accounting to billing. Your business probably needs to change a lot if you’re going to use it. When I did a time card application for a big company we interfaced our app with a backend some sap engineers made available to us.

I have no idea how it works, but apparently it does.. sometimes…

https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252435884/Chances-of-suc...

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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SAP are more known for ERP than CRM They're absolutely colossal in size My ex-girlfiend's father is an engineer there in Baden-Wurttemberg - I'd characterise them as closer to something like Oracle rather than Salesforce

They are so colossal that switching to SAP usually means reworking company's processes to match SAP's, not the other way around.

To be fair, that is the case for most ERPs. It's not really about the size of the product but rather the important role it plays in a company.

Most ERPs can be quite flexible too, there's a ton of customisation possible. And a whole cottage industry of addons and integrations for every imaginable integration or business model. But the problem is you really screw yourself with added complexity when it's time to update. Then you're really condemning yourself to spending millions on consultants at a time when you might not have the resources. And postponement leads to technical debt.

Hence the idea of adapting the business to the system. Making sense too if you think about it this way: you're not really just buying a system but a methodology.

And another thing is that it makes integration with other companies easier. Makes the company more easy to sell or too acquire other companies and integrate them.

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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My curiosity is killing me as to what exactly went wrong. And as someone living in The Netherlands I'm also kind of mad at the apparent fragility of this huge chunk of our infrastructure. If this had happened on a work day, it would have been a real national emergency, rather than just a huge national inconvenience. I would appreciate one of those post-outage "what happened" reports like with the AWS and Facebook out…

From the notice: > It affected the system that generates up-to-date schedules for trains and staff. ...boy oh boy did trying to look into what NS uses for crew scheduling ever send me down a rabbit hole. I don't know if the systems have changed but while poking around online I found this[1] doc about the Netherlands' timetable revamp around 2006 and it talks about the complexity of TURNI-- their on-the-fly crew sched…

I love deep diving on public info to determine the internals (even, not only SOPs, policies, but also *governing culture* can be easily gleaned from reading what is placed in public view.

For example, The Salvation Army is one of the biggest jokes in all of charitable history.

I wont go into details here, but I would NEVER give a dime to the Salvation "army" (of free slave labor under the guise of "salvation" (its a tax and money fraud to its core (I went through a SHIT ton of financial documents to see what their true operatin is disguised as. AVOID)

TL;DR: TSA uses its place as a church-like service to get special tax incentives, even the buildings in SF were donated to them. They run a for-profit-grey-market of boutiques they supply with "donations" they have running trades with China-Town in SF. They take subsidies, donations and other benefits. They require all that they "help" sign up for state benefits, sign the benefits over to their org, take the benefits, then feed donated & expired processed fod to their labor force.

They only take in able bodied. Force them to go to church each sunday. and make them use external addiction help, such as AA and make it clear they are not a treatment organiztion.

They maintain a very small amount of actual employees, and play on the egos of those in their "program" using military style rankings to appease the egos of the ignorant...

They then profit like mad, corruption is rampant and they feed all their "good" donatins to their side hustle of boutiques and other grey market.

Its a fn racket.

=---

The point being that if you DD a company/org, you can often find out a lot from financial public info, comments from even just a few employees etc..

Re: Due to failure in the IT system, it is not possible to run any trains today

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My curiosity is killing me as to what exactly went wrong. And as someone living in The Netherlands I'm also kind of mad at the apparent fragility of this huge chunk of our infrastructure. If this had happened on a work day, it would have been a real national emergency, rather than just a huge national inconvenience. I would appreciate one of those post-outage "what happened" reports like with the AWS and Facebook out…

My very good guess is that you had a database failure caused by a crypto virus. They will not wish to announce that this was the root cause until A. A plan of action to avoid a future infection can be enumerated. B. They can be certain they will restore the functionality of the trains. The other part of my guess is that they have a SQL db which is stored on /likely/ a windows server instance. I’d even surmise that th…

What would lead us to be inclined to believe that this is a 'very good guess'?
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