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Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by Syonyk »

vba616 wrote: post #87
Syonyk wrote: post #52

Sorry, what did they think was going to happen when people saw just how blatantly Microsoft said, "You know, the problem with Windows 10 is that we just haven't expressed enough disdain for our eyeballs? The ones we can't really sell to our real customers yet because we wrote Windows 10 as an OS..." I will not run Windows 11 on any personal computer. I will discourage anyone else from doing so. Reasons, in no particu…

Is it practical to run either 10 or 11 in a VM for doing ordinary chores on the Internet?

Windows 10, at least, is a perfectly well behaved guest of KVM - you can even get the various virtio drivers that improve performance significantly. I think Red Hat makes the ISO available.

I just don't know why you would, though. Just about anything one can do on the internet works fine on Linux. Or, I suppose, just isn't worth doing. I've not been Windows heavy for multiple decades now.

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by pjmlp »

No wonder, so far it has been another Vista, the way managed screw all devs that bought into UWP reboot, and the hardware requirements, there are no reasons left to upgrade other that getting it with new hardware.

I will be waiting for Windows 11 Creators Edition [0] or Windows 12, whatever comes.

[0] - The first Windows 10 version that was actually usable.

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by kyriakos »

0des wrote: post #90
kyriakos wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Kyriakos Grizzly?

It's a very common Greek name

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by pjmlp »

abdulmuhaimin wrote: post #63
odonnellryan wrote: post #17

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Gotta have some bad versions of windows so when we get an ok version we think it is good! It isn't like you're going to use Linux ;)

theres MacOS. Thats the real immediate threat of Windows 11. And honestly with recent development of Apple's hardware, and gaming on Linux, Microsoft should be worried. Windows 11 feels like Microsoft make a step forward and 2 steps backward

In many countries there isn't, at least not at the same 300 euro price range many families manage to get by.

Since Windows XP that we are going to have everyone switch in droves to Linux, because Microsoft did X.

What gaming, running Windows games on Wine and Proton, because studios can't still be bothered to this day, even when they are already using POSIX like (PS/Switch/iOS) or Linux based OSes (Android/Stadia) ?

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by pjmlp »

zdragnar wrote: post #39
supernovae wrote: post #34

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i know more people with chromebooks and ipads they never use who went back to pc and enjoy windows 11..

My wife has never owned a windows laptop; she's been on Chromebooks exclusively since 2017. I don't know how far apart the ratio is, but now you know one more ;)

Chromebooks are an US phenomenon.

In Europe you hardly see them on sale across traditional chains.

And when they happen to be there, regular shop visitors will notice how their section gets increased promotions until they finally manage to get rid of them.

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

pjmlp wrote: post #92

No wonder, so far it has been another Vista, the way managed screw all devs that bought into UWP reboot, and the hardware requirements, there are no reasons left to upgrade other that getting it with new hardware. I will be waiting for Windows 11 Creators Edition [0] or Windows 12, whatever comes. [0] - The first Windows 10 version that was actually usable.

>No wonder, so far it has been another Vista

I beg to differ. Vista had tons of stability and performance issue, plus breaking many things. Windows 11 for me was smooth sailing so far, even on older hardware that isn't officially supported.

Window management and tiling is far better and boosts my productivity, docking and undocking your laptop finally doesn't mess your window layout, fractional scaling is better, WSL, Terminal, PS and other power user creature comforts just work nicer out of the box, HDR support is there, windows-key search works faster, notifications are better implemented, windows defender has extra security features like core isolation, etc.

I still hate the new taskbar UX that groups everything together in icons, requiring multiple clicks to pick your desired task vs the classic Win 9x way I've been using for over 20 years, but other than that, I haven't found any performance issues, bugs or any other kind of deal breakers that get in my way or kill my productivity.

I can still play my modern and most importantly to me, my vintage video games natively, without any kind of hacks, emulation or extra VMs, so it gets a pass for me since I don't want extra hassle in my life. Hell, I'll even recommend Edge despite the uproar on HN, since if you're on a thin and light laptop with a small battery, it really gets you significant better battery life than Chrome or FF if you do a lot of browsing away from the wall.

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

willis936 wrote: post #46
insickness wrote: post #32

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Some Windows 11 GUI customization tools: Start All Back https://www.startallback.com Explorer Patcher https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher Open Shell https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu

I use ExplorerPatcher and it works well. I do find it unacceptable that an OS needs 3rd party customization expose options to make the interface usable. If I wanted that experience I'd just buy a Mac.

>I do find it unacceptable that an OS needs 3rd party customization expose options to make the interface usable.

GNOME sweating nervously.

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by pjmlp »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #96
pjmlp wrote: post #92

No wonder, so far it has been another Vista, the way managed screw all devs that bought into UWP reboot, and the hardware requirements, there are no reasons left to upgrade other that getting it with new hardware. I will be waiting for Windows 11 Creators Edition [0] or Windows 12, whatever comes. [0] - The first Windows 10 version that was actually usable.

>No wonder, so far it has been another Vista I beg to differ. Vista had tons of stability and performance issue, plus breaking many things. Windows 11 for me was smooth sailing so far, even on older hardware that isn't officially supported. Window management and tiling is far better and boosts my productivity, docking and undocking your laptop finally doesn't mess your window layout, fractional scaling is better, WSL…

I guess you aren't doing Windows development....

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #25

My gaming PC, which isn't that old (Skylake / GTX 1080) isn't compatible with Windows 11. It still works fine, but given that it will inevitably be out of date with something that requires Windows 11, and the current impossibility of buying reasonably priced GPUs, I bought an XBox instead. Microsoft gets my money anyway, I suppose, but all my real work is done on a Mac. It's funny how Microsoft is basically just a ga…

Do note that the gpu shortage is somewhat ending,finally. Doesn't mean prices are back to decent amounts, but we went from "no gpu available" to "there are gpus on amazon"

Re: Windows 11 may not be as popular as Microsoft had hoped

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Post by nickduggets »

Syonyk wrote: post #52

Sorry, what did they think was going to happen when people saw just how blatantly Microsoft said, "You know, the problem with Windows 10 is that we just haven't expressed enough disdain for our eyeballs? The ones we can't really sell to our real customers yet because we wrote Windows 10 as an OS..." I will not run Windows 11 on any personal computer. I will discourage anyone else from doing so. Reasons, in no particu…

I'm confused by stories like this. I've installed both Windows 10 and 11 recently, and never had to create a Microsoft account for either one. It felt a bit like going to the old toilet with "beware of the leopard" on the door, but the option was there. Never had to forcibly disconnect the network, just repeatedly confirm that I really wanted the "limited experience". (Better yet, create an online account!)

Is there a difference between countries or architectures or something? Are they serving a different pile of bullshit to Americans thinking they're already numb to this kind of crap?

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