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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

#91

Post by WitCanStain »

paganel wrote: post #73
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

> Zelensky is a nazi, He's not a Nazi, of course, him being of Jewish ancestry, but it did raise some questions for me when a Russian bomb (that killed about 20 civilians) did its thing in Kyiv very close to a boulevard named after Bandera. Bandera is of course a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator. That thing with a Kyiv boulevard being named after a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator you don't see in the MSM. Th…

What questions did it raise for you?

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by onion2k »

mFixman wrote: post #70
onion2k wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are less aware how well video can be faked with few resources, so they're more likely to believe it.

That's the same moral panic there used to be about Photoshop. It turned out that people don't believe tricked imaged without any context.

That's the same moral panic there was about Photoshop, but it turned out that people don't believe tricked imaged without any context.

Photoshop exists because people believe images that have been modified. Pretty much every billboard, magazine cover, print advert, or Instagram post you see has been photoshopped literally because people believe images enough to make it worthwhile spending the time changing it to be 'better'.

Adobe built a multi-billion dollar business on the basis of tricking people with images that aren't real.

The assumption that it wouldn't work for video, or that people won't believe modified news images, is counter to all of the available evidence.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by duxup »

I'm curious about the usefulness of deepfakes in the face of 'momentum'.

Russia has largely been seen negatively, not just for the invasion, but also their military performance. Underdogs are popular and Ukraine's stiff resistance vs what was thought to be a vastly stronger power and they have has captured a lot of the West's enthusiasm / support.

Russia's propaganda about nazis, being liberators, chemical weapons, 'military operation' vs war really hasn't penetrated much of the west / just comes off as absurd.

With that, is a video like this likely to do much?

This seems like a fake that only the fakers would think would work...

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

#94

Post by ghostpepper »

_clhx wrote: post #28
trentnix wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the country and it’s nothing like the caricature you just mentioned. It is, though, safe, polite, and friendly. And people are happy to leave other people alone.

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Another related lesson is that the extremist people (on both sides of the aisle) tend to be louder and more demanding than the moderates so it's easy to make the mistake of believing they are more numerous than they are.

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by engineeringwoke »

Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

> Information dissemination must be similar to fluid dynamics. It just has to be.

As similar as fluid dynamics are to a functional public education system

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by [deleted] »

paganel wrote: post #73
Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

> Zelensky is a nazi, He's not a Nazi, of course, him being of Jewish ancestry, but it did raise some questions for me when a Russian bomb (that killed about 20 civilians) did its thing in Kyiv very close to a boulevard named after Bandera. Bandera is of course a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator. That thing with a Kyiv boulevard being named after a war criminal and a Nazi collaborator you don't see in the MSM. Th…

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Re: Zelensky video deepfake

#97

Post by netizen-936824 »

s5300 wrote: post #57
gunfighthacksaw wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

Don’t bring schizophrenia into this. These people are overwhelmingly not schizophrenics nor is affinity towards conspiracy theories commonplace in schizoaffective disorders

This is important. Comments like that perpetuate the stigmatization of mental illness. People don't necessarily have to be mentally ill to have weird or harmful beliefs

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by Terry_Roll »

Now if the head didnt oscillate sideways like it wasnt connected to the neck and perhaps they used a grainy pixelated recording, they might have got away with the visuals. Cant comment on the voice recording, but so far most deepfake software isnt that good because its not aware of other variables.

Good laugh though, still the existence of sky fairies like god, ie something that cant be proved is still order of the day for now it seems!

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by nonrandomstring »

Loughla wrote: post #3

I always find it interesting to watch the trickle down of news I find here on HN. I live in a very, very, very conservative part of the US. It always goes the same; see fake thing called out for being fake on HN. One week later, hear rumblings related to the fake thing in my community. One week after that, hear people openly talking about how that fake thing is true, but Google/MSM don't want you to hear about it. Su…

> Information dissemination must be similar to fluid dynamics. It just has to be.

Heisenberg supposedly said "When I meet God I’m going to ask him about relativity and turbulence. I think he'll only have an answer for the first".

Re: Zelensky video deepfake

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Post by matthewmacleod »

crate_barre wrote: post #69
pengstrom wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems unnecessarily elitist. I mean, I would be glad if I could get away with just discussing theory and ideas, but reality and practical matters gets in the way. We vote for people, we evaluate people from events.

It’s more frustration than elitism. Take the topic of Machine Learning for example, there’s really few people on planet earth that can discuss the implications of it in detail. To broaden membership into that discussion, you have to provide a lifeline in the context of ‘what are the implications of AI with respect to future work, will humanity ever have to work again?’ - ok, now most people can take part. The frustra…

There are absolutely vast numbers of people who can comfortably discuss the implications of machine learning – people from all walks of life with many different perspectives, including technologists, artists, economists, politicians and more. This seems like a straw man.

Having a topic under discussion is hardly "gossip" or a "conspiracy lifeline".

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