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Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Edit: removing the snark/sarcasm I put into it. I was really hoping this announcement would include support for push notifications for PWAs. I've been trying to build a few Discourse forums and they work very well as PWAs except for the fact that iOS doesn't support PWAs sending push notifications. So here's to hoping the next iteration will.

I want it so I can uninstall Facebook Messager. On Android I can log into Facebook's website, and receive push notifications via the web-browser. On iOS my choices are either the native iOS app (which has substantially more data hooks) or nothing at all. Essentially browser Push Notifications increase my privacy. PS - I am sympathetic to complaints about push notification request spam, but that feels like a solvable…

How do you use messenger like this? When I go to messenger.com a get pretty much just button with link play store...

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Until Apple fixes the mess they made with ad-blocking and allows full-fat ublock origin to work on Safari again, it could be 100x better than any other browser and it would still be worthless compared to Firefox. Shame, because I really do like Safari.

I do my ad blocking at the /etc/hosts level. Pihole is also good too.

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Edit: removing the snark/sarcasm I put into it. I was really hoping this announcement would include support for push notifications for PWAs. I've been trying to build a few Discourse forums and they work very well as PWAs except for the fact that iOS doesn't support PWAs sending push notifications. So here's to hoping the next iteration will.

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Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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And just like that, Safari has surpassed Chrome in interop 2022 https://wpt.fyi/interop-2022

Click stable. Safari is nowhere close.

That'll still be Safari 15.1, alas; 15.4 should be close to the experimental score shown.

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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> WebKit added support for lazy-loading images with the loading attribute on the element, providing web developers with an easy way to instruct the browser to defer loading certain images until the user scrolls near them Maybe there's hope that I can then just turn this off on a browser level? I've got gigabit internet at home, and your images popping in on scroll makes it feel like I'm on dial up. Lazy loading image…

The idea is that the browser, which is aware of your bandwidth, will disable this for you. But for a user on a limited bandwidth connection it’ll implement it. In other words the lazy attribute is a suggestion, not an instruction. The experience you describe is with JavaScript lazy loaders which don’t have this awareness.

Android makes it easy to have many browsers with different configurations for specific uses.

I have Bromite configured with DoH that almost blinds my ISP as well as Tor Browser.

Privacy Browser disables JavaScript by default, with an easy toggle to enable it, which is invaluable for taming many sites with obtrusive scripting.

I use Firefox Focus with the bundled libgecko for general browsing.

If I tried this on a Microsoft platform, I would constantly be advised not to do this.

I wish there was a good WebKit browser for Android, just for diversity.

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Click stable. Safari is nowhere close.

That'll still be Safari 15.1, alas; 15.4 should be close to the experimental score shown.

Why haven't the stable versions 15.2 and 15.3 been tested?

Will 15.4 be tested?

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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It’s in there but but not enabled by default, meaning it’s still in beta. It’ll probably be officially announced at Apple’s World Wide Developers Conference in June.

If we can enable it for our own purposes then that's big. Doesn't need to be on by default.

If we can enable it for our own purposes then that's big. Doesn't need to be on by default.

Agreed.

Not being on by default likely means it's also buggy and incomplete.

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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> Lazy loading images is at best user hostile bandwidth saving It can easily be the vast majority of bandwidth spend even on a lightweight site. Add video widgets and bring that closer to 99%. Lazy loading is frequently a "can afford an extra 5 full time engineers" optimization

> Lazy loading is frequently a "can afford an extra 5 full time engineers" optimization I find this figure suspect. I work on a site with millions of users whose core service is essentially displaying a stream of images to end users, and our spend on CDN bandwidth is barely into five figures

I picked 5 at random, but I guess it really depends on where you are. Assuming 5 was the real number, that's only $28k/month bandwidth spend given the average SWE salary in the UK (£38,561 going by google), including 33% for tax and non-salary costs. That's about 327 TB worth of undiscounted AWS bandwidth, or roughly a site averaging 993 Mbit/s.

A small video site might start at 3 Gbit/s, a medium sized one closer to 30. These estimates really are quite conservative depending on the context

Re: New WebKit features in Safari 15.4

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Edit: removing the snark/sarcasm I put into it. I was really hoping this announcement would include support for push notifications for PWAs. I've been trying to build a few Discourse forums and they work very well as PWAs except for the fact that iOS doesn't support PWAs sending push notifications. So here's to hoping the next iteration will.

I want it so I can uninstall Facebook Messager. On Android I can log into Facebook's website, and receive push notifications via the web-browser. On iOS my choices are either the native iOS app (which has substantially more data hooks) or nothing at all. Essentially browser Push Notifications increase my privacy. PS - I am sympathetic to complaints about push notification request spam, but that feels like a solvable…

Apple likes to trot out Facebook as a privacy boogeyman when it comes to defending their App Store business model, but when their business model necessitates that Facebook has invasive native apps, suddenly they're silent.

PWAs would increase security all around compared to native apps, but that might cut into App Store revenue.

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