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Mapping and Seizing the Oligarchs' Assets

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Re: Mapping and Seizing the Oligarchs' Assets

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Putting aside the confiscation question, it’s morally obtuse to liken Iraqi civilian deaths, the top cause of which per that link was execution after capture by insurgent & other non-US-aligned forces, with Ukrainian deaths from indiscriminate Russian shelling of civilian neighborhoods.

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More precise targeting??? With cluster bombs???

Re: Mapping and Seizing the Oligarchs' Assets

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post #80

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Putting aside the confiscation question, it’s morally obtuse to liken Iraqi civilian deaths, the top cause of which per that link was execution after capture by insurgent & other non-US-aligned forces, with Ukrainian deaths from indiscriminate Russian shelling of civilian neighborhoods.

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that's some serious level of victim blaming.

Re: Mapping and Seizing the Oligarchs' Assets

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I just want to remind those who are talking about due process that this is about crowd sourcing where assets of Russian oligarchs are. That is not the same thing as denying them due process. In other words, it's just a website. On the other hand, the actual due process part happen when the actual authorities of those countries, follow the laws of their country, and seize those assets because of sanctions.

> I just want to remind those who are talking about due process that this is about crowd sourcing where assets of Russian oligarchs are…it's just a website.

An upvote alone is not enough to echo this comment. After all this is Hacker News. Not really a great place for insight in due process, but a good one for things OSINT visualization projects

Re: Mapping and Seizing the Oligarchs' Assets

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So now it's just OK to seize private property of individuals without any even pretend due process? Of course these individuals have links to their government, you think you can find some rich Americans who aren't somehow linked to their government? And now we have american media platforms saying 'yeah, it's fine to call for death to Russians'. Our response to this is getting pretty fucking scary. We need to start dia…

Yep, this is something that Hitler did, when he seized the property of the Jews, but people are currently acting like nazis did, just against the russians now.

This also sets another dangerous precendent, that you can just sieze property of someone you don't like... people protesting against covid measures? Seize their property. Protesting against a pipeline.. sieze their property! BLM, pro-trump, anti-trump, eco-protests, sieze everything!

Re: Mapping and Seizing the Oligarchs' Assets

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So now it's just OK to seize private property of individuals without any even pretend due process? Of course these individuals have links to their government, you think you can find some rich Americans who aren't somehow linked to their government? And now we have american media platforms saying 'yeah, it's fine to call for death to Russians'. Our response to this is getting pretty fucking scary. We need to start dia…

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Re: Mapping and Seizing the Oligarchs' Assets

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post #52

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No one is forcing them to retire, I for one would be interested to see what these productive people would come up with when they shift their goal from making a great profit to making a great social impact.

> No one is forcing them to retire > shift their goal from making a great profit to making a great social impact who says they will shift?

No one did. They are free to do as they please.

Re: Mapping and Seizing the Oligarchs' Assets

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well, offtop by Russophilis is getting out of hand. Russia was aggresor, in 1994 in Chechnya IIRC 1999 Chechnya, Georgia 2008, Ukraine 2014, Ukraine 2022. Russian FSB do terrorists attack on their own citizen [1]. Case is simple, goverment is a war crime and was for 28 years. There is a whole generation of young people brainwashed by their parents with roots back to 1800s tsarist propaganda. Russians need to step up…

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Re: Mapping and Seizing the Oligarchs' Assets

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Without questioning if seizing the property of Russian billionaires is justified or not, if you believe in equity, the property of American billionaires should also be seized by the other countries for the nearly 200 000 civilian deaths in Iraq (which is much worse, but the US-led war lasted longer). Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Ira...

What a fantastic idea, billionaires are a symptom of our unequal society. We could have a ceiling of say 50 million quid and you get to say you won capitalism, and everyone throws you a bug party.

Why 50 million? Why millions? Think comrade

Re: Mapping and Seizing the Oligarchs' Assets

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Without questioning if seizing the property of Russian billionaires is justified or not, if you believe in equity, the property of American billionaires should also be seized by the other countries for the nearly 200 000 civilian deaths in Iraq (which is much worse, but the US-led war lasted longer). Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Ira...

What a fantastic idea, billionaires are a symptom of our unequal society. We could have a ceiling of say 50 million quid and you get to say you won capitalism, and everyone throws you a bug party.

If leaving the country wouldn't be an issue, a formally established rite of "financial lynching" could be an interesting tweak to society: have a regularly occurring vote about who is the least popular rich/powerful person and the "winner" gets a very generous stipend but is stripped of all assets and contracts, like starting with new name (and data, to curb stockpiling of blackmail material for the reboot). Much safer for everyone involved than allowing imbalance to grow until it's eventually cleared out in a revolution.

Re: Mapping and Seizing the Oligarchs' Assets

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Pretty much. San Francisco fired the SF Symphony Director because... he's from Russia . Amazing how quickly our base, tribal instincts kick in when an "enemy" appears. All pretense to "peace" and "restraint" and "avoid foreign wars" goes out the window really damn quick . If you're the kind of person who looks back and thinks "man, how could America be so stupid to get involved in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq"? Wel…

>Pretty much. San Francisco fired the SF Symphony Director because... he's from Russia. Who would this be? A casual googling shows an individual from Finland has been the director since 2020. What am I missing here?

Looks like the story was updated.

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/San-Francisco-Symphon...

Director at SF Symphony lost a bunch of gigs because the Montreal Symphony cancelled a bunch of performances by a Russian pianist.

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