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Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by simion314 »

numeromancer wrote: post #47
simion314 wrote: post #18

Quick question, most countries have laws on how media should work, like what can you put on public TV at what hours, how to mark certain content, rules that demand to always provide both sides perspective and punishments if you don't follow the rules, like removing your TV license. Did we allow this new media to just ignore our laws and publish one sided fabricated news? Maybe is finally the time to block stuff that…

Should "we" force you to label your posts as "activism" rather than "information" or "discussion"?

HN can auto-label all our posts by default as personal opinions but if they can detect I am a MS/Apple/ employee they can auto-label me with that, if I am part of some group they can label me with "member of this group". Transparency if fine with me.

Like for food, label what is inside, if you want the "media" label you should be an actual journalist and follow the laws and the media code of conduct, otherwise we can give you a different label more appropriate.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by jlokier »

mopsi wrote: post #64
iso1210 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN has some of the most pro-putin comments I see anywhere. These are established accounts with years of history talking about tech, so not Russian bots or whatever.

Not everyone is a paid shill. Lots of tech people are Russians and/or from Russia and support the war in Ukraine. Independent polling shows that the majority of people in Russia support the war, including the majority of the highly educated.

> Independent polling shows that the majority of people in Russia support the war, including the majority of the highly educated.

Is there any independent polling in Russia? Is it even possible?

I am under the impression the penalties for being against the war are severe and getting worse, to the point that even having messages on your phone about it could get you into trouble if stopped and searched by Moscow police.

Who in their right mind would answer a poll question honestly in Russia now?

There is also the question of whether Russians even know there's a war where Russia is the aggressor against a democratic state, and attacking civilians. There are by now many reports of people in Russia who simply don't believe that's what's happening - instead they think there is no war, that it's a lie propagated by Western aggressors against Russia, and that Russian soldiers are in Ukraine to liberate the people.

If I were in Russia and asked my view, and highly educated for real on the actual circumstances, I'd answer that I was pro special military operation (what war?) because there's a chance the person asking is special police and I might end up in prison - or provoke an investigation which gets my friends into prison - if I say anything else.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by shabier »

keymone wrote: post #67
coffeeblack wrote: post #3

Good. It’s important to be able to see all sides. Everybody with a brain will know to be very skeptical of any news source directly controlled by a government. Same is true for CGTN and other channels still on YT.

RT reported about ukrainian army crucifying a child in Donbas in 2014 which literally caused some people in Russia to volunteer as fighters and cross the border with intention to kill ukrainians. No, RT should be banned and every person working for it should be jailed for life. Freedom of speech is not freedom of inciting violence and hatred. Edit: here, educate yourself - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucified_boy

> Freedom of speech is not freedom of inciting violence and hatred.

Zelensky lied about a Russian shell hitting a nuclear plant and called for retaliation, which is exactly inciting violence. There's a lot of misinformation spread by both sides (Russia and the West) but silencing any of them would be stupid and unfair.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by pydry »

keymone wrote: post #67
coffeeblack wrote: post #3

Good. It’s important to be able to see all sides. Everybody with a brain will know to be very skeptical of any news source directly controlled by a government. Same is true for CGTN and other channels still on YT.

RT reported about ukrainian army crucifying a child in Donbas in 2014 which literally caused some people in Russia to volunteer as fighters and cross the border with intention to kill ukrainians. No, RT should be banned and every person working for it should be jailed for life. Freedom of speech is not freedom of inciting violence and hatred. Edit: here, educate yourself - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucified_boy

Would you also apply this rule consistently with all of the Iraq war cheerleaders who also promoted fake news (like yellowcake)?

Im reminded of Chomsky's quote here (it's surprising how often it is relevant):

>Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you’re really in favor of free speech, then you’re in favor of freedom of speech for precisely the views you despise. Otherwise, you’re not in favor of free speech.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by shabier »

keymone wrote: post #73
jbverschoor wrote: post #2

Good. It's insane that the west is calling out censorship from Russia, but is doing the exact same thing itself.

Since when blocking enemy's propaganda considered "bad"?

So North Korea is doing good then

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by [deleted] »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #53
simion314 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Not sure what country you're referring to, but there's certainly no such rule in the US, Australia, or the UK. In the US it would be unconstitutional. So in US you can say on newspaper or TV things like "Bob did X" and Bob can do nothing about it? I thought the at least justice can demand Bob to be paid damages and the newspaper/TV to show a retraction. I mean are you free to denigrate people in US with no consequen…

In the US, there are slander and libel laws that you can be sued for if you print something that is untrue. But if you are a public figure or entity, you have to prove not just that an untruth was printed but also that it was done with "actual malice". Which country were you referring to specifically? I don't know any that require presenting both sides of a political issue as a general rule.

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Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by sorenjan »

logicchains wrote: post #33
NicoJuicy wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CNN is also not party owned... It may have similar views to eg. democrats, but that's not even remotely similar. Eg. They aired unedited coverages of many of the Trump campaign rallies. Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened. Note: Yeah, thought so.

>Show me one 'Ukraine is in war' topic in RT and Russia invaded Ukraine. Which is literally what happened. Show me one "How NATO's push eastward scared Russia into war" on CNN.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/27/europe/ukraine-russia-new...

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/04/world/china-russia-xi-put...

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/24/europe/ukraine-russia-con...

> Putin has seen NATO's expansion as an existential threat, and the prospect of Ukraine joining the Western military alliance a "hostile act" -- a view he invoked in a televised speech on Thursday, saying that Ukraine's aspiration to join the military alliance was a dire threat to Russia.

But that's not the whole picture. The main reason behind this war is that Putin considers Russia, Belarus, and Ukraine as one nation, one people. In a lot of ways his actions mirror that of Adolf Hitler in the 1930s, when he wanted to unify the german people under one nation. Here's a quote from a lengthy article by Putin published last year:

> I am confident that true sovereignty of Ukraine is possible only in partnership with Russia. Our spiritual, human and civilizational ties formed for centuries and have their origins in the same sources, they have been hardened by common trials, achievements and victories. Our kinship has been transmitted from generation to generation. It is in the hearts and the memory of people living in modern Russia and Ukraine, in the blood ties that unite millions of our families. Together we have always been and will be many times stronger and more successful. For we are one people.

> Today, these words may be perceived by some people with hostility. They can be interpreted in many possible ways. Yet, many people will hear me. And I will say one thing – Russia has never been and will never be ”anti-Ukraine“. And what Ukraine will be – it is up to its citizens to decide.

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by throw_m239339 »

shabier wrote: post #93
keymone wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RT reported about ukrainian army crucifying a child in Donbas in 2014 which literally caused some people in Russia to volunteer as fighters and cross the border with intention to kill ukrainians. No, RT should be banned and every person working for it should be jailed for life. Freedom of speech is not freedom of inciting violence and hatred. Edit: here, educate yourself - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucified_boy

> Freedom of speech is not freedom of inciting violence and hatred. Zelensky lied about a Russian shell hitting a nuclear plant and called for retaliation, which is exactly inciting violence. There's a lot of misinformation spread by both sides (Russia and the West) but silencing any of them would be stupid and unfair.

> but silencing any of them would be stupid and unfair.

unfair to whom exactly? Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the massacre of its citizen is certainly a bigger injustice.

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by kube-system »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #24
simion314 wrote: post #18

Quick question, most countries have laws on how media should work, like what can you put on public TV at what hours, how to mark certain content, rules that demand to always provide both sides perspective and punishments if you don't follow the rules, like removing your TV license. Did we allow this new media to just ignore our laws and publish one sided fabricated news? Maybe is finally the time to block stuff that…

> rules that demand to always provide both sides perspective Not sure what country you're referring to, but there's certainly no such rule in the US, Australia, or the UK. In the US it would be unconstitutional.

The US actually does have regulations that requires that, although it’s fairly weak:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-time_rule

This rule has actually had a notable effect in the current election cycle: https://www.newsweek.com/fccs-equal-time-rules-prompt-statio...

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by shabier »

keymone wrote: post #79
ZGDUwpqEWpUZ wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's literally censorship. It doesn't stop being censorship just because you want it censored. Trying to redefine words like that insults your readers. People might consider your position a bit more if it's not obscured by your ego.

It's censorship of enemy's propaganda vehicle. Since when is that considered "bad"?

Yeah, sure, let's completely depend on our own honest media rather than being able to cross-check it with opposing parties. It surely won't create an echo chamber wherein our own media could report whatever they want, it surely won't result in less objective reporting and more propaganda.
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