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Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

#91

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> shutting down credit card payments will likely impact large portions of online payments. I can't think of a way to reply to this without being trite or insulting, but genuinely, what do you think is the point of a sanction?

My first reaction was "this is going to force a bunch of people to use cash again" But the, maybe obvious to you not to me, consequence is that this could shutdown the entire online marketplace in Russia (at least in the short term) Also I'm not sure I'd call it a sanction since it's coming from a private company, not a government. If I were any country right now I'd also take it as a warning to not depend on Masterc…

> Also I'm not sure I'd call it a sanction since it's coming from a private company, not a government.

It's following sanctions, which blacklist all big Russian banks and remove them from international banking and financing arrangements. Even if Visa/MasterCard aren't explicitly prohibited from dealing in Russia, how are they supposed to move money around with the sanctions in place? It's because of the sanctions.

> If I were any country right now I'd also take it as a warning to not depend on Mastercard or Visa given the immense power they hold

They can try not invading other countries, that seems to do the trick. Joking aside, countries like France have their own independent networks ( Carte Bleue in France) over which payments pass in some scenarios ( honestly couldn't tell, but for instance there are weird cards from some banks that only work on the CB network and don't outside of France, even if they're supposedly Visa/MC).

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

#92
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And paypal this morning too [1] It does feel coordinated. I know corporate law is kind of irrelevant in a context of war, but it feels more than ever like a cartel. [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/paypal-shuts-down-its-servi...

In this context when one actor pulls out, the eyes turn on the others who either pull out or will have to accept being seen as supporting the regime. The coordination doesn’t have to exist for it to look coordinated. No one wants to be seen as late to leave.

It also takes time to interpret how the sanctions affect an industry and what actions need to be taken, and those interpretations are going to be pretty correlated.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

#93

I’m not pro crypto or pro Russia, but the fact that it’s so easy to lose ones freedom to transact[0] (regardless of the specific merits here) is troubling. [0] https://mobile.twitter.com/punk6529/status/14944446246304030...

This is only possible because Russia is the first clear and acceptable Bad Guy since WW2 Germany. There are very few gray areas about what they are doing in Ukraine, so everyone is firing with everything they've got. Weapons of Mass Financial Destruction someone called them.

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Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

#95

Please do not use crypto no matter how tempting it is to join the Ponzi scheme as I said before and many other critics like Stephen Diehl (@smdiehl), Molly White (@molly0xFFF) (@web3isgreat creator) and more reliable critics. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30512981 Please try use Paypal with a VPN or in another country, Moneygram, Western Union or use cash, better yet use Transferwise (Wise) or buy gift cards t…

It's almost trolling to suggest another centralized vendor that can lock out people from their money at any time. Paypal is arguably the worst offender in this regard.

Which is why I said use Transferwise, if you cannot use Paypal. There are options like Western Union or Moneygram, but crypto is not one of them.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

#97
I have a Russian friend living abroad for a longer period of time and paying his day to day expenses with savings through credit cards. They all stopped working and he has no way to pay for anything anymore.

I get why it’s done but it’s still sad to see people that have nothing to do with this situation get hit like this

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

#99
It's the first action against Russia that made me angry. It's so stupid and wrong at the same time.

So, in Russia all the cards will work, nothing is changed here (despite the statements of Visa and Mastercard). Cards issued by Russian banks would stop work abroad. The same is true for any foreign cards in Russia. So, foreigners in Russia are fucked. People who left Russia in a hurry because they didn't want to be part of this craziness or because it's dangerous for them to stay (i.e. they are known protesters against the regime) are fucked.

Nice move. Simply genius.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

#100

Please do not use crypto no matter how tempting it is to join the Ponzi scheme as I said before and many other critics like Stephen Diehl (@smdiehl), Molly White (@molly0xFFF) (@web3isgreat creator) and more reliable critics. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30512981 Please try use Paypal with a VPN or in another country, Moneygram, Western Union or use cash, better yet use Transferwise (Wise) or buy gift cards t…

As an American, I'm tempted to put everything I own into Monero.

Monero isn't really private or secure and was a subject to a 51% attack so this is a moot point.
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